Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Gary, perhaps you could illuminate us more on the issue then!
Charlie used several campaigning tickets prior to the General Election 2010, including his opposition to the DDC core strategy (Whitfield) and the case for a Dover hospital. Once in, he could change nothing in regards to these 2 issues, as they are not within an MP's competence.
Keith Sansum1
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sorry alexander;
I don't usually say such things
but latest posts are complete tosh lol
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith - exactly when have I ever shared Alexander's view? You are correct, he does talk a load of tosh on so many levels and on so many things.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i have always wondered about keith, keeps agreeing with barry lately and now resorts to using his favourite word "tosh".
i suspect we have another cobbled together coalition taking shape on here.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Alex.
I did not refer to Charlie or what he has done or not done.
MP's in general was your words.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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We're talking here about Dover Port, the MP, and MPs competences, Gary.
Charlie in particular, then.
Having read his missives before the GE, and read his blog in 2010, and seen his campaigning advertisements even on Suite 101 articles for a hospital in Dover, I should know what I'm talking about.
While the majority of Local Government in DDC approved with enthusiasm the core strategy, Charlie campaigned against it, but the funny thing was, as MP he could do nothing about it.
So it was an empty campaign, rather cheap too, and misleading.
What exactly an MP has to do with local regeneration that concerns Local Government, is a question that I don't need to answer, other than absolutely nothing!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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The hospital fiasco was because many groups could not come together and instead tried to outdo each other
the only losers was Dover
If you truely believe Alexander the MP has no role to play in the regeneration of Dover then i feel
your talking tosh geezer
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, perhaps you should read my last line: "What exactly an MP has to do with local regeneration that concerns Local Government..."
Maybe you can explain where the MP decides on local regeneration, and where local Government does.
The example of the core strategy is clear: only DDC could make the core strategy, as an elected district council authority, Charlie opposed it, became MP, and did nothing to change the core strategy, because he CAN DO NOTHING about it.
It's not in his authority to do anything about it.
Perhaps as an individual, yes, in particular being resident within Dover District, but not on account of his being MP.
Whatever local regeneration could mean, be it through the building of infrastructure, such as a tunnel for Port traffic under Townwall Avenue or Street, or the creation of jobs in factories, or training courses to enter employment or whatever.... these things have to do with the local population and their elected LOCAL Government!
And also with free enterprise.
NOT the MP!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Here is an example from This Is Kent, 23 October 2012, of local regeneration being enhanced by a District Council:
"EIGHTY new businesses employing 120 people could be created in the wake of council bosses injecting cash into expanding "incubator units" in Shepway.
District councillors were due to release about £150,000-worth of funding and investment to help to stimulate economic growth in New Romney and Tontine Street in Folkestone last Wednesday."
Keith and Gary, my representation to the DfT is realistic, as it envisages a continuous funding to the Councils in order to generate local prosperity. Only these administrative institutions have the constitutional authority to manage regeneration within their own area on multiple fronts and in multiple sectors of the economy.
As seen in the example given above, free enterprise can prosper when a District Council can afford investments to stimulate economic growth. This is not something an MP can do.
To be quite frank, it is not something a charity could do either.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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let's hope the initiative from shepway district council is effective. new romney and tontine street need fresh impetus.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Alex.
You was referring that MP's can't make a difference in their communities and that is just plain wrong.
You chastise them for not doing anything, then tell them, why bother, they can't make a difference anyway.
I simply don't see your logic?
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Gary, I gave some specific examples of where an MP can't make a difference in the local community, even in reference to campaigning tickets used in the last General Election.
Charlie, for example, made a big theme about a hospital, and another one about opposition to the DDC core strategy, and yet another one about the Port.
When he became elected into Parliament, he was unable to achieve what he had campaigned for, as all these instances mentioned above are quite simply not in his authority to determine as MP. In the case of the Port, he even changed idea after becoming MP, and campaigned for a Port sale that would bring £200 million to the Treasury, whereas prior to election he had campaigned and petitioned for the Port to remain a State asset.
In regards to local regeneration not being prerogative of the councils, in particular the District Council, but of a charity reliant on borrowing money and matching it with donations - match funding, with the MP sitting on its board as a permanent member, I need say no more.
Such theories are for you to prove, Gary.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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This has now gone right over my head, so will back off.
Ross Miller
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But Alex dont you claim on your LinkedIn profile to have "accomplished essential improvements in living standards in Dover's residential quarters" through your business.
Surely this is regeneration?
Surely by your arguments only the prerogative of Councils
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Certainly Ross I've improved people's living standards. This as a free enterprise though.
I'm currently on a one month contract to refurbish part of three floors in a residential complex and should be finishing next week.
And it's not just painting, but all the preparation work which precedes it.
When people move into a room and find it like new, sparkling white and clean, no cracks, no holes in the walls, no damp-stains, no peeling wallpaper, they certainly feel happier - and healthier - and also when going to the kitchen to cook, to the living room, through the corridors and up and down the staircases.
But this is because I'm self-employed, Ross.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Alexander;
I have to dispute your view on the role of an MP.
First let's look at your examle;
THE HOSPITAL;
Charlie sadly chose a route of divide rather than bringing people together, thus the fiasco that got into, but that's not to say he had no role to play, in fact an MP in such situatons can be very influencial.
It's my view that had all the hospital ideas come together rather than all different and all thinking they were right, then we may well have got a lot further with a ndw hospital.
REGENERATION
Without doubt the MP has a very big role in the regeneration of Dover.
Whether this be lobbying the govt for funding and making sure it comes to Dover, or lobbying whatever body it is that has dosh to do the same.
There are many other ways to.
But as you give examples, let me give you an example of how an MP can help;
In years gone by but still quite recent, local councils, local people, business, all kept stating how a high speed train would benefit Dover
All local councils, local people, business's, and the then MP campaigned TOGETHER for this to happen, and im sure with everyone on board and the support of the MP made the GOVT decide it should happen.
this is just one of many examples
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Guest 776- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
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Back to thread title
just spotted on the peoples port website a seminar coming up at st mary''s parish hall this coming thursday the 25th at 6. 30 p.m.
This is tonight....Not been publicised much.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Is there anything new to discuss or is this a scheduled meeting?
Audere est facere.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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post 330 on this thread christine and and a separate thread "interesting lecture".
Guest 776- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
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Thank you hmc1
I should have quoted you, but forgot the quotes, because I could not find it on the Peoples Port Website.
Sorry, if it sounded like a lecture, but it was getting side-tracked re.the MP, and politics abound here
Is there anything new to discuss or is this a scheduled meeting?
Again a quote from 378. If it ends up like the above, then we are all doomed to dullness and end-game.!!
The DHB will long for apathy, this is how they have survived and ruled.