Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Again, allusion but no particulars.
The thief was a thief before he stole the phone and is one yet.
However, the station and standing of a wholly innocent person is at stake. That of the/a shop assistant/passer by.
What loss, if any, is at stake?
Would there be a cost to the assistant that he 'allowed' the theft?
Is there no insurance cost included in the purchase price?
Just being sat on? While I do not intend to intrude on your personal proclivities Jan...
I thought this whole thing was/is about the assistant as opposed to the Police?
In short; the absence of Police.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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My personal proclivity is definitely against any toe rag who thieves from any shop maybe because we get so much stolen from the Age Concern shop by the ba****ds.
In short the police should have arrived sooner but better late than never.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Howard, what is being referred to is that someone totally not involved would like a chance to beat the hell out of somone else for nicking from someone else's shop an i-pod.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Jan, I will confess to you that if I saw someone being chased for nicking from a shop, I wouldn't lay my hands on them: it's not my job!
However, if I saw a person being beaten up, I would intervene to stop it. It's in my character. Sorry.
My wife who is a volunteer worker at the RSPCA shop said the sales man stooped him at there shop and the tea-leaf tried to pull away and in doing so banged into the window and fell to the ground thats when the salesman sat on him. I have been told there were three salesmen in the shop at the time and this tea-leaf had taken a phone the day before thats why they were watching him and when he made a dash the sales man was after him. when the police came he did have the phone on him.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Alan, that makes it all the more an intrigue.
Premeditated, it seems, without contacting the Police the previous day, and this so as to catch the man privately at a later day without prior warning and then make a public show of it.
Further, when he banged into the window and fell to the ground, the salesman should not have sat on him, but enquired if he was hurt.
He and his fellow salesmen no doubt and admittedly knew his identity already from the day before, no doubt had him on CVT camera and probably filmed it all from within the shop, at the very latest the second day, and could have given the evidence to the Police.
Sarah downloaded a law about private arrest, and as we can see, the misdeed of the salesmen has no upholding in the wording in Sarah's post.
They knew the man's identity and planned to trap him.
Can't see it faring well for them! The Police will no doubt visit them
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Alex, there are times when you can be 99% sure somebody has taken something but you need to be 100% to challenge them so the next time they appear you watch them like a hawk.
I doubt they planned to trap him much more likely planned catch him, which they did.
When we see these toe rags we now say in a loud voice 'eyeball time' and closely follow them round the shop, works a treat.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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You are beginning to reason, Jan, quite a good counter-argument from a juridical point of view.
But that leaves the bit about the 1 hour arrest open, sitting on a collapsed man for 1 hour. That's where witnesses seem to agree: the man hit a window and collapsed to the ground, and was sat upon for 1 hour in mid Winter.
That's something the Police will surely investigate
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Alex, I had thought you were a total PC junkie but now I have just realised you have been treating us to a taste of your super-sophisticated sense of humour. BTW I carried out a risk assessment before posting this.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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And another thing. I have just returned from the Stembrook bottle bank. As I approached I noticed one of Dover's finest yoofs urinating openly and extravagantly against the cash machine outside the Co-op. When he saw me he ran and rejoined his mates queuing outside the Party Bar. Please forgive me for not wishing to be a 'have-a-go hero' under the circumstances.
Oh, and give that ATM a miss for a while!
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Peter, the man seems to have been in no position to offer resistence, he had hit a window full on and fallen to the ground.
There were by admission 3 salesmen knowledgeable of the ongoing incident, and the arrest was enforced not far from their shop. Why could not a second saleman assist in the arrest, treating the person with decency and enquiring if he needed medical assistance, rather than just one of them sitting on him?
Did the 3 salesmen inform their employer prior to or during the incident?
Guest 695- Registered: 30 Mar 2010
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Read posts #1 and #45 Alex before you continue your absurd rewriting of what happened.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Risk Assessment and Equalities Impact Assessment all in order, so I can now post. Bother - I have forgotten what it was I wanted to say...............
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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I would ask that members dont post inaccurate or hearsay information about police or criminal matters as it very often affects vulnerable members of the public...we have had incidents before that could have caused hardship to vunerable individuals, as I have explained previously. Please be cautious at all times. You are not just posting to other members but to the wider community.
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KENT POLICE have issued the following statement in direct relation to this thread.....
This incident of alleged shoplifting was reported to Kent Police at 1.35pm on Friday, officers attended at 1.51pm and after enquiries with those concerned, a 21-year-old man from Dover was arrested at 2.15pm. To suggest that officers were called out whilst they were attending a Christmas party is WRONG - officers and staff attend Christmas celebrations in their own time not whilst they are on duty.
I am unsure where Mr Taylor has obtained his information from but it is incorrect.
The barrel, half full of diesel, was taken away by officers at 8am on Saturday after it had been removed from near a bus stop in Dover the previous day. I am grateful that Mr Taylor was able to place the barrel in his front garden to await collection.
I am not going to spend too much time refuting Mr Taylor's claims except to say that he needs to be sure of his facts before making accusations about the reputation of Kent Police and its officers.
Chief Inspector Ken Elmes
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Thank you Paul and I apologise to you and the Police if any post I have made has added to the inaccurate information posted
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Thank you Chief Inspector for giving us the facts.
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Ross Miller
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Well to be honest one generally needs to take Mr T's postings (and many other posters too...) with a liberal dose of salt, whilst there may be a kernel of truth or reality in them somewhere...
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I am not content that anybody need 'be sure of...facts' before they comment about the Police or any other body or individual.
It's hardly what any of us wish. To live in a country where ones thoughts must be passed to the state's authorities for perusal and assent prior to publication.
Thank you for you take on the situation C I Elmes.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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Tom there is a world of difference between making the statement "it took the police x long to respond" and saying "it seemed to be a long time..."; if you are going to state information as fact then it is in the interests of everyone to make sure they are facts and not assertions, prejudices or worse; that goes for all sides to a discussion.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
