Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#41
This ladies hade 11 kids and they have given her a 400000 house.
Next she will be demanding expensive NHS treatment for a prolaps ,11, kids it must look like a wizards sleeve
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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#42
Well said Ken - I don't think I'd offered much of an opinion even, just pointing out an absurdity in the system!
Keith Sansum1
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#43
ken couldnt find owt nasty(you been talking to barryw to much lol)
The state maybe should help to pay for the first 2 or 3 children but then 4th child onwards shouldbe paid for by the 2 parents
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#44
Keith,
firstly, no Country in the Western world has a policy of letting children die of poverty.
Your solution, which clearly you read from the article's link in post 1, is just very sad.
To deny child benefit and any other related benefit to third or fourth child and any other children born thereafter to the same family, would mean changing the Constitution and changing our culture.
How do you expect a mother with 11 children to even contemplate working for an employer for their upkeep?
Surely she must already be working all day simply by looking after them.
In fact your comment is so sad, I ask myself if you actually meant it!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#45
what if everyone decided to have 11 alex, we would be even more bankrupt than we are now?
Brian Dixon
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#46
think of the tax income if they all start work at the tender age of 6 howard,now wheres my chimmnay brushes.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#47
Howard, while I see the point you're making, however, the State cannot simply decide to abandon children in our Country to no form of care or benefit through financial means, unless they were born to an economically self-sufficient family.
Where this is not the case, a child's mother, or mother and father, must be in receipt of child benefit and any other related benefit, be it housing, special provision of sorts or whatever.
If not, how would a family survive, if say, the first 3 children were accounted for by the State, and the fourth and fifth were not?
The mother - or both parents - would certainly divide all the available money for food and clothing so that it all goes to all the children equally. They would all lose out, because 5 or more children would be receiving financial income meant for only 3 children.
We would become the paria of the world if we introduced child poverty laws in Britain.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#48
alex
i doubt that all the child benefit is spent on the kids.
brian
you clearly have a business brain expect an invitation from reg to join his egp club.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#49
Only if they did it on benefits Howard, if they were financially able to support 11 kids from their own resources then I don't see a problem.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#50
Alex sometimes I wonder if you have ever travelled outside the UK.
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Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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#51
Alex you continually refer to the Constitution, could you please tell me where I can find the British Constitution?
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Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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#52
Peter Garstin wrote:Alex sometimes I wonder if you have ever travelled outside the UK.
I don't think Alex ventures outside of the High Street, Folkestone Road, Military Road triangle !
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#53
aha the bemuda triangle,wheres scully and moulder.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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#54
Having worked with families suffering extreme poverty, I found that the root cause of many of their problems stemmed from bad experiences within the education system. Either poor quality teaching methods which did little to inspire them or, sadly, parents who themselves had underachieved and could not offer support to their children. By working with adult education, schools and youth clubs I am proud to say that I did start to make progress with some wonderful people who had underestimated their own abilities.
I am not saying that everyone could, or would, want to break out of the benefits system but more do than do not.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#55
Wow!
alexander its about responsibility,
if you can;t afford that 4th child then you shouldn't have it
whyshould we all pay??
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#56
Oh Keith you old Tory, you've just opened the closet door! Wait till I tell Reg.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#57
Dave1, we do have laws in Britain, which are valid.
There is also a Constitution, although it's not all gathered in one book.
In Britain, valid laws are the equivalent to a constitution, in legal terms.
Anyway, just a question to all: which party would campaign for child benefits and child-related benefits to be abolished for non-economically-self-sufficient families starting with the third or fourth child, or any number of children for that matter?
Just let us know which party would put this on their manifesto.
I'm interested to see the answer.
I bet there will be no answer
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#58
Dave1, an Act of Parliament is equivalent to a constitutional law. Just researched it.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#59
Sadly Alexander both major parties will skirt round the issue
where you and I will continue to stump up the bill
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#60
#54
Certainly Lesley, the earlier the better as far as education is concerned, but it is never too late.
And who might have been in charge of state education back when these adults were in education, and did they have any personal experience of state education, and did they give a damn or just push for it all to be cheaper and cheaper still?
No wonder Politics and f***-ups go hand in hand when the latter provides a steady supply of people to blame to the former.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.