howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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benefit amounts are freely available to see, unless someone knows how to play the system to full effect certainly not enough to live on.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Of course they're enough to live on Howard, I don't see people dying in the street.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Ray, it is illegal for silly reasons.
Work induction as I suggested would b done as part of a school programme, to acquaint children with work and how to earn some money.
The lack of this is one reason why 22% of the youth in Britain end up unemployed, because there is no viable programme to guide young people into employment.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I may add, Ray, that gang-crime culture is also a product of the lack of what I suggested.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i don't see how using a key to get electricity and having to use payday lenders as living david.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"A new national pledge to reduce child deaths is to be announced by the government."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/feb/19/child-deaths-health-maps-pledgeIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Well its not ideal Howard but the majority of those using payday lenders are in work, unemployed are seen as being too high risk.
Its the same old story Howard, our friends wandering the streets drinking Special Bew and taking drugs, they all have mobile phones and cigarettes, thats on top of us housing and clothing them.
It seems you're keen on raising benefits, which will trash the economy even further.
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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There will shortly be a new facet to this arguement, in the Balkans there are villagers without runnig water(wells are still the norm) or electricity and if the food isn't grow or killed then families don't eat. This is not scaremongering but based on my experiences of last week, these poor poor people will soon be heading to the UK because they will then be entitled too in an endevour to feed their children and I don't blame them. This to me is a very good reason to limit family allowance.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
I am quite happy for benefits to be raised so long as the deserving get them rather than the lazy --'I have no intention of getting a job'-- who seem to thrive on them.
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Problem is Jan you raise benefits and it disincentivises further.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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It's the perennial problem- the parents are totally greedy and feckless but it's not fair to visit their sins on the children. However the children will grow up thinking that this is the way you should live. How do we break this vicious circle of dependence on the state?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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We must face up to it Peter, and face it down.
This means making it plain just how all the sectors of society and commerce are dependent upon the same 'State'. Itemising the real/supposed benefits to the Nation/Country/Economy, the whys and wherefores of the whole shebang.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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You make it plain to us then Tom.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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What's that David? You too busy with the Special Brew?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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the vast majority of the unemployed do not go out street drinking, they couldn't afford to if they wanted to barry, sorry i meant david. the ones with mobile phone, drugs and cigarettes are clearly supplementing their benefit income.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Not sure what your point is Howard.
Are you suggesting we raise benefits?
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
ray
as an active conservative you agree with that??
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Another wind-up Keith?
I'm not an active conservative, my relationship with them is the same as yours with Labour (but considerably less critical
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And agree with what?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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not an active conservative ray
at every count
out on the streets
tory rosette
not a active one though fair enough
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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Keith what has Ray's politics and how he performs his support for his chosen party got to do with the thread? Ray is offering his view of the benefit system as we all are with the exception of your goodself. Our days of being nasty to others and avoiding the issues by being nasty serve no purpose.