Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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I always find it interesting to read comments from people who in the big scheme of things do jobs which really serve no useful purpose and which the majority of us can live without. Pumped up and full of their own self-importance they scorn those who actually helped build this country and who did jobs that were necessary and essential.
What we have now is little men whose only contribution to a once great country is gambling on money markets and appealing to peoples greed. Give me 1 miner against 10 bankers any day at least the miners didn't loot the country.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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all these compliments will go to barry's head, he will stop being the nice guy then.
Jan Higgins
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Barry, to paraphrase, you merely state the facts as you see them which might not be correct.
We can all be wrong at times, none of us are perfect although some of us may think we are.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Those people you so blithely refer to are those on whom the income of many ordinary people depend Dave1. Your so called 'gambling on money markets' is nothing of the kind in the vast majority of cases. Yes there are some people, City men and maybe even a neighbour of yours daytrading on his pc, who do gamble as you put it, but that is very far from the reality of what goes on.
Everyone who is drawing an income from a pension scheme or saving towards their retirement needs the people you so easily condemn. Businesses seeking investment that want to expand and generate more profit and with it pay more tax and provide more jobs also depend of those you attack.
You speak of something that you clearly do not have a clue about.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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So Jan - what fact that you refer to do you think was wrong?
Howard - so you think Dave1 was having a dig at me? No, I didn't think that as what he refers to is far from what I do. I can understand not understanding what happens in the City but an IFA is another matter. I give Dave the credit for at least knowing that difference.
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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I am aware of the differences Barry, what I was trying to say is that neither manufacture anything, mine anything or in the big picture contribute anything to society at all other than dealing in money.
I too speak my mind as I see it.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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No particular fact just that you are so dogmatic in all your assertions when they are in fact your opinion. I will now retreat quietly to my little corner and shut up.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Jan - what you may think is dogmatic may simply be where personal experience and professional knowledge provides me with confidence in what I say.
Financial and economic matters in particular as being professionally involved. I read my first book on economics when I was in my teens.
I do have a very wide range of personal experiences as well that inform what I say, in local politics (councillor for 12 years from 1983), in business (22 years since I first went self-employed and I professionally advise many small business people), in national politics (active interest and involvement since 1974 having met many of the 'main players' including Mrs T many times), in education (a school governor for 29 years and a dad of two) and having an interest in a number of subjects for instance military history. \i have been both widowed and divorced - I have chaired a think-tank - I could go on.....
You might find where I do not have experience or knowledge I do not comment, but that lot means I have things to say from a solid knowledge base on a lot of things. Sometimes it is just opinion and other times I refer to plain facts. Perhaps I may come across as dogmatic and assertive but as I say I have confidence in my opinions and the facts I use and if I get a fact wrong I will acknowledge that. What I am not is someone who makes bland and unsupported statements as some do on this forum and when people do I will certainly challenge them! It would be boring otherwise...
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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You still don't get it Barry, let me try and help you.
The dustman removes your rubbish thus reducing the chances of a nasty disease.
The medical profession endeavours to cure you of any nasty diseases.
The farmer produces the food you eat.
I can obviously go on and on but putting it simply will liken life to a web, everybody is dependent upon the basic core of the web, namely food and water.
The outside of the web money markets, bankers etc. we can live without, they are not essential to basic life and survival.
Imust say Barry your life story revolves around profit and politics, I am thankful that Ihave crammed considerably more in to my life and when I'm croaking on my death bed I shan't be asking what the current state of the FTSE is.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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No Dave1 - you don't get it...
Investment managers help businesses expand, employ people, generate wealth and tax revenue that pays for public services and pays the salaries that enables people to buy the food people eat etc etc.
They also invest peoples's hard earned money, generate income that itself generates tax revenue that pays state pensions, it also puts income, after tax, from the investment into people's pockets with which they buy food and services also keeping others in jobs and so on.
We have an interdependent world Dave1 and City activities are a vital part of that structure.
I am not entering a peeing contest with you Dave1 over personal experiences but your comment on that says a lot about you more than me.
Keith Sansum1
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dave1 and others
I have tried to help posters to say sadly our barryw is blinkered and sees only one side.
JAN;
Please dont go away and shut up, you make some very good observations to level up what our barryw says.
unfortunatly our barryw is of the opinion(or his postings indicate)thsat only he knows, only he has the expertese,
what he doesn't grasp is the forum is fortunate enough to have a lot of wide ranging interests, and knowledge, and experstese, thankfully most are more willing to see both sides,
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I suppose that should I be washed up on a deserted island I'd rather have a Ray Mears type as a companion than the Governor of the Bank of England.
My point being that in evolution terms the ''money men'' are relatively new kids on the block where as the farmers,carpenters,blacksmiths have been fundamental in mans development and we should not lose sight of their vital importance in the circle of life. If it came to the crunch we could all live without the bankers but the other professions we need for our and mans survival.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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How does the farmer grow your food if he cannot borrow to buy seed, livestock and fertilisers? Diesel for his tractors? How does the manufacturer set up his factory? How does the exporter get paid from abroad? How does the importer obtain foreign currency to pay his suppliers?
Who invests your pension contributions and pays your pension? What is the point of building houses if there are no mortgages available?
If there were no financial markets our economy would be in the middle ages, in fact just like that of North Korea.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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Thank God Marek has grasped the point I have been trying to make, the core of the web is the most important, for it represents basic survival, if you were marooned on Mareks desert island, money and investments would be the last thing you would be thinking of.
Barry, i'm not sure what you mean by the last paragraph in post 70, perhaps you would care to explain or is it just one of your "I know better than anybody on here" remarks.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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No Dave1 - I was there referring to your final personal dig at me trying to say 'my life revolves around profit and politics' while in fact if you read what I said, or actually know me, that is demonstrably not so. You also make an unsubstantiated statement about youself, that is why I said I am not entering a peeing contest on that with you.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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Barry
re #68.
You may have done all these things but it still doesn't mean you are right!
Dave, BarryW et al - you have all eloquently made the point of symbiosis. As someone relatively new to the business of business I am fascinated by its similarity to the tribes and eco systems I studied when younger. It is fascinating - sad if you like but there you go - to unravel organisational systems and management (which is, incidentally, how I make a living and therefore don't drain the State....) and make sense of them for others who are struggling to perform. The point it it needs to be symbiotic, not imbalanced. It is currently unbalanced and we are in the brown sticky stuff. It needs a re-balance!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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excellent post bern, the moment i find out what symbiosis means i will give an eloquent reply.