howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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interesting to see our genial local publican paul mcmullen get his suit out of pawn and perform live on news night a few minutes a go.
what did members think about the interview?
Guest 694- Registered: 22 Mar 2010
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for those of that missed it.. may we have the cliff notes please?!
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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BSkyB/NOTW entourage power/control not in UK interest.Senior Politicians/Metropolitan Police appear to be powerless/unwilling to challenge Murdoch or stand `our` ground!
Parliament today,as always,is in a unique position to divulge what is/has happened.MP`s with `spherical objects`need to stand up and be counted.
Culture Secretary is boy in a man`s job.Robust action is required.DC needs to get a grip here and several other places.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Here is a picture from the interview last night.
Shows Jeremy Paxman inquisitor of legend, trying to get at the truth in all this. Across the table is none other than local publican Paul McMullan who one time was, according to Newsnight, Deputy Features Editor News of the World.
Mr McMullan said that "hacking was fair game" back then. It wasnt illegal back then and basically the inference from McMullan was that everyone was doing it. He also suggested that Rebekah Brooks editor
( formerly Rebekah Wade ) knew what was going on.
She denies any knowledge of anything...just like Andy Coulsen who denies everything and anything.
Clearly now her fair head is on the chopping block. She was previously editor of the paper mentioned but is now CEO of News International. The general populace didnt didnt get too animated as to whether Sienna Miller was hacked or not, but the scandal has escalated into the stratosphere following the revelations that Milly Dowler's phone was hacked. This has enraged everybody to such a degree that the whole issue will be debated this afternoon in the House of Commons...unscheduled...and they take some shifting off schedule.
Keith Sansum1
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REG;
There are some serious concerns over bskyb and the amount of power/influence they will have.
The concerns from the lib dem ministers have been totally disregarded,which i'm sure will cause resentment.
On the issue of hacking, there are concerns whether this hacking was legal or not in those days, that they may have interfered with police proceedings, or not passed on information.
The press are very powerful, and you can see that often ythey abuse there priviledge position
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the whole issue is getting murkier by the day, now we hear that the parents of jessica chapman may have been hacked amongst many other victims.
there are accusations that the metropolitan police were colluding with news international.
this will run and run, i doubt that the full truth will ever come out, news international clearly have too much power to allow that to happen.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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HOWARD;
Just shows we havn't moved far away from the big brother's watching you
climate
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Bribing police for information has always been an offence and offering/accepting bribes to drop investigations is conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, an offence for which prison sentences of up to 12 years are handed down.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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on paper yes, however the inference is that the dodgy dealings go very high up the food chain.
it needs an outside force to be brought in to get to the bottom of the situation, if they don't maybe they could send them here to sort out the pavement cyclists?
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The following is a post from Reg...he had a spot of bother getting it on.
By the way Reg, always a good idea to mention the source of cartoon/material...just to acknowledge the guys responsible kind of thing. Everyone will be happy that way. Hopefully.
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Rebekah Brooks hair looks like a can of worms.It is a can of worms for both Murdoch and David Cameron.Murdoch is not happy with Rebekah.DC is not happy with Jeremy Hunt.Watch both spaces!!!
The Speaker John Bercow in permitting Mr Bryant MP to apply for an SO 24 asking for the 3 hour emergency debate once again annoyed the conservatives and Mr.Cameron.
Mr Camerons nickname in his long time treatment of the speaker John Bercow (a short man ) is `Flashman`........................tom brown succeed in the end!!!!!!
I suppose that in order to hack into the phones of people in the eye of the news you must first have to hack into the various mobile phone companies' records to find out the numbers. Is this how they do it?
Whatever, it is absolutely shameful.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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yep, looks like this is just the tip of the ice berg, a lot more to follow.
now we have the emergency debate annoying mr cameron, who would prefer this all to just die down, but it won't, ';ts just warming up.
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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There was some suggestion on TV last night Diana that they got all this information phone numbers etc directly from the police on their payroll. Clearly this activity by the few police involved is illegal as mentioned on the page above. Rebekah Brooks seemed to suggest at an earlier hearing, when she was R Wade of course, that they did pay police as a matter of regularity and that they (her and Coulsen) didnt think it was illegal.
Its just a handful of police involved as I understand it, although all will become clear in time.
A high powered QC or two clearly stated yesterday that the activity was/is illegal...just to dispel any doubts.
Mr Cameron bit the bullet yesterday though Keef and at least took responsibility for all his staff. (PMQ) But Ed Miliband did push home the point and called Camerons judgement into question, as we all remember Cameron hired Coulsen as Downing Streets media man. A hugely important post for government. It wasnt a good move.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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All that shows is the lowest common denominator in politics and should not be taken seriously PaulB. This is just about bottom-feeding criminal behavior by some journalists. All of us can be open to attack over unsavoury people we will certainly have mixed (and mix) with.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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there was a cloud over andy coulson when he was hired by the prime minister, not good judgement at all.
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I must admit that when the NOTW were bugging MP's and Celebs phones I really didn't give a toss but with the recent crop of revelations regarding murder and terrorist victims phone messages being listened to and then wiped I am having to sit up and take note.
My hope is that it will end the practice of hacking. That it will stop Murdochs empire from growing any bigger and that he is disgraced and no longer fawned over by MP's and Heads of States and the like.
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Cameron's naiveté and his error of judgement over Coulson should cause him no permanent harm as long as 1 he got rid of him quickly (as he did) and 2 he learns from it and doesn't make the same mistake as Blair did with Mandelson, i.e. reinstate him when the hue and cry had died down.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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thatis what normally happens, i note that the bskyb bid is being put on a low light until such times as all that is happening dies down.
the fact that coulson and brooks thought it was legal to pay money to the police for private information had me rolling on the floor.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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this article was written by peter oborne of the telegraph.
in the careers of all prime ministers there comes a turning point. He or she makes a fatal mistake from which there is no ultimate recovery. With Tony Blair it was the Iraq war and the failure to find weapons of mass destruction. With John Major it was Black Wednesday and sterling's eviction from the Exchange Rate Mechanism. With Harold Wilson, the pound's devaluation in 1967 wrecked his reputation.
Each time the pattern is strikingly similar. Before, there is a new leader with dynamism, integrity and carrying the faith of the nation. Afterwards, the prime minister can stagger on for years, but as increasingly damaged goods: never is it glad, confident morning again.
David Cameron, who has returned from Afghanistan as a profoundly damaged figure, now faces exactly such a crisis. The series of disgusting revelations concerning his friends and associates from Rupert Murdoch's News International has permanently and irrevocably damaged his reputation.
Until now it has been easy to argue that Mr Cameron was properly grounded with a decent set of values. Unfortunately, it is impossible to make that assertion any longer. He has made not one, but a long succession of chronic personal misjudgments.
He should never have employed Andy Coulson, the News of the World editor, as his director of communications. He should never have cultivated Rupert Murdoch. And - the worst mistake of all - he should never have allowed himself to become a close friend of Rebekah Brooks, the chief executive of the media giant News International, whose departure from that company in shame and disgrace can only be a matter of time.
We are talking about a pattern of behaviour here. Indeed, it might be better described as a course of action. Mr Cameron allowed himself to be drawn into a social coterie in which no respectable person, let alone a British prime minister, should be seen dead.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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lets see if boris and his party allow cameron to survive
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