Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I read that the 'Wandswoth One', is over 18.
At what age then does an individual become responsible for their own actions?
Marek, what of those who buy a house for a small sum then over time find that their home is not only worth a fortune. Is it then possible that their home has outgrown them in value?
If it happens that any family evicted in this way has a pet that too is to become homeless, then indeed we might see a back-lash.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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Let's get things into perspective and proportion.
How long did MPS serve in prison for their expenses scandal? A few months for stealing tens of thousands? How many bankers recieved consequences for bringing the economy to its knees?
Just how long SHOULD someone get for stealing a pair of trainers?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100100708/the-moral-decay-of-our-society-is-as-bad-at-the-top-as-the-bottom/Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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How did the person obtain the trainers? Was violence used? Breaking and entering? It was obviously burglarly as all the shops were closed at the time of rioting so that attracts bonus points. So a simple question with no easy answer.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Mark - How long should Gordon Brown get in prison for encouraging/aiding and abetting the bankers?, for the insane gold sale?, the irresponsible government spending spree? for steeling £5bn a year from our pensions?
We can all play that game.
Stop trying to play down the guilt of the rioters with silly relativism.
The stolen trainers are only a tiny part of the whole picture which includes violence, intimidation and fear. Sometimes murder. Price that.
Guest 663- Registered: 20 Mar 2008
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Oh dear so the blame game goes on everyone blames everyone else,
The goverment blamed the police, parents blamed the system, and Barry always blames the last goverment.
Nobody is perfect and we all have to take some blame, so it is down to all of us to work within our communites,its sometimes a thankless job but it has to be done, nobody wants to see the pictures of the lastweek on our television screens,
When people take on a council house there is an agreement they have to abid by that goes for all who live in that house, to lose your home is a big price to pay so the ball is in their court.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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mark posted an interesting link, i posted a link from the same chap on one of the hacking threads.
the blogger, one peter oborn seems to have seen the light on the road to damascus, always a lover of all things blue nowadays he speaks of dave and his cronies as something to be scraped off of the bottom of his shoe.
i agree that the rot starts at the top and filters down, there are not many in business or politics that command respect and/or affection.
there is no real leadership from our religious leaders either.
Its ok saying get a job but there are none parents should have control of there children,What this country needs to do is as each child woman or man reaches 17 years old then its 5 years in the armed forces and learn a trade if they don't want to go in then they are put to work weather they like it or not we are so soft in this country thats why there is no respect. And if it is found that some Illegals were in this they should be marched to Dover and put on the first ferry out then maybe people will respect this country's laws .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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again there is no money for such schemes, it works out cheaper to leave our school leavers feral.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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Barry, actually my views are more deontological that relativist. What I am urging is some consistency of law rather than saloon bar posturing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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does anyone understand mark's post?
if so could they e mail ne please.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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thanks tom, all becomes clear now (i think).
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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But the whole discussion brings us back to Ron's post 1: what will evicted rioters do once they have no roof over their head?
Will they try to migrate to other countries?
As for the idea of them getting a job, does anyone think that an employer will immediately employ a person evicted for rioting?
First of all, an employer will want to know if they have the skills to do the job, if they have a residence, and if they can be trusted not to riot again, for example at work.
The idea that they can just "go get a job" is unrealistic, especially considering that there are millions of unemployed people here, and private sector employers in factories and on farms tend to employ almost exclusively hard-working labout from other countries and tend to avoid local people, even when they do have an abode and have not rioted.
The only answer that comes to me, when reading that they "should get a job", is: "go get yourself a life"! Wake-up to reality!
There are also millions of jobs. Ask yourself: why would UK firms avoid local labour? If people make a choice to be too idle to employ their other choices follow on. They should not then expect a welter of warmth and understanding if they loot, kill, riot, steal and injure. And remember those othrrs who do not fall into the catch-all assumption of poor, deprived or unemployed. Reap what you sow!!!!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Bern, that brings us back to the unanswered question in post 1: what will people evicted for rioting do? They probably won't find a jon that easily. Most unemployed people don't riot, and yet many do not get a job.
Youth unemployment in Britain is at 24%. Many of these did not riot.
Answers please!
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Alex
Basically I don't give a toss. They didn't give a hoot when they went rioting, looting , torching and trashing the cities.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I studied a little ethics at school. The big problem with deontological ethics systems is that everyone has to agree on what the rules are and what ones individual duty is. Boris Johnson and Darcus Howe would have a problem sorting that one out.
Teleological ethics systems give rise to the victimless crime for instance speeding. If you speed but aren't caught, you are still in the wrong under a deontological system but not under a teleological system where consequences are the key. A further variation on this is where the victim is unaware of the crime e.g minor tax evasion or nicking a couple of apples from an orchard.
We need a word for an ethics system where the gang is king, anyone outside the gang is fair game, consequences don't matter and the winner is the one who achieves the greatest material gain.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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Sorry - didn't mean to be flip. I was in a reverie prompted by the idea of Boris and Darcus...........
I am not taking any responsibility for any part of the riots , its individual choice each and every action that we take ,
