Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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7 September 2010
08:1069105Keith - the point is he absented himself from the HoC while receiving his MP salary to write a book. Most who write books do not go AWOL from the day job.
7 September 2010
08:1669106Keith, the grin is cheesey, surely you don't deny that?
He lied to get us into the Iraq War, I think that is now common knowledge.
The Iraq War still has serious question marks about its legality, that too is common knowledge.
So, none of my tabloid style description of him could be described as harsh.
I also find it distateful that he is promoting a book and making money, while our young troops are still being killed as a result of his bloodlust, or powerlust, whichever. The man should be thrown out of the UK and told to go live with his egobuddy GeorgeW.
Keith Sansum1
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7 September 2010
08:2169109BARRYW
You do have double standards at time.
let me explain;
A cllr who at the time still served in a council ward in Dover at the time a strong conservative(thankfully not now)
decided to move to Sheffield, his aim, with 2 years to go to next election, was to continue to serve the people of that ward from Sheffield!!!!
Only because I and others put pressure on him and local tories
(you were chair at time) did he resign his seat.
He had no intention of dong so.
I have always believed in representing people where you live/work
so you have the knowledge.
OF course this ex cllr is not alone, many other tory cllrs have done same across the country.
The losers being local people
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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7 September 2010
08:2369110I have to correct myself Howard- I see that The Commons did return yesterday, much earlier than normal!
Don't know if Brown was there though.
7 September 2010
08:2469112In the interests of balance Keith, I think you will find several Labour and probably Liberal MP's playing the same game. Politics would be much more interesting if party's were unable to parachute someone in and had to promote a local candidate instead.
Brian Dixon
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7 September 2010
08:2769114sid,the same could be said about maggie and the falklands,evan though the yanks wernt there thankfully.
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7 September 2010
08:2869116I was a chairman Keith - no-one ever sits on me...
This is not party political, there is no rule to say only Conservatives do what you say.
Besides its a different matter, Councillors are either retired or have 'day jobs' and are not salaried at £65,000 pa (plus expenses) as backbench MPs are. No doubt Brown also claimed for his second home in that period as well.
The individual councillor has to decide whether he can serve his electorate properly is he/she moves away from their area but that is very different to being paid a salary and absenting yourself from the job you are paid for.
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7 September 2010
08:3569120Brian - Hold on, you cannot get away with that. The Falklands was a very different matter.
1/ British sovereign territory was invaded by foreign troops
2/ The UK had a UN mandate to defend and recapture British territory and to defend the lives and homes of British citizens
3/ Mrs T did not lie to take us to war, there was no need to do so because the justification was clear
4/ It was not done on the pretext of WMD, regime change was not a hidden agenda, there was no dodgy dossier.
5/ A clear military objective was defined and a post-war plan was put in place and implemented
Do not compare that pigmy Blair's wars to what Mrs T did in the Falklands, there is no comparison.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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7 September 2010
08:3869121baz;
you are partly correct, and I would never go down the road of asking someone to sit on you, much as i may disagree with you lol
Cllrs need to be in the area to get the feel of the area, so moving to Sheffield wasn't fair to the electors in Dover.
And he should have resigned. soon after moving.
SID;
Sadly politics is suffering from all angles, not just the main political parties, but also people pretending to be indies, when in fact thy campaign for one of the major political parties.
It's as iv said before, everyone knows where i come from, it's those people who pretend there one thing when in fact they not.
On the issue of local people we have indies not living in wards parachuting in as you say Sid, so you will be pushing for them not to do so in the future????
No, I think you will go quiet on the issue come the election.
In general, all parties are struggling to find candidates, its a thankless, and time consuming past time. so we will continue to see candidates parachuted in
even the INDIES !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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7 September 2010
08:4369122barryw,it soaly depends on your point of view.the falklands was costly not only with the death of many solders and costly money wise as well.the falklands is a far flung island with no inportance millatary or comersally viable.it can be seen as a folly by many people.
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7 September 2010
08:4869123Town and parish councils ought to be non-party-political. It is only as a response to the Labour machine having politicised Dover Town Council that the conservative-leaning (small c) members have organised themselves as an opposition group. Most of them are not closet Tories but reasonable people trying to serve their town.
PG.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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7 September 2010
09:0469125Brian - your point of view is that if British terrotory is invaded the UK should not act to in defence of the British people who's homes are there.
I see.
Apart from anything else you are totally wrong in your value of the Falklands geographically and economically, bear in mind oil and on the Falklands rest our claim to British Antartic Territory.
Regardless of that, of course - morally we have a duty to defend British territory and more importantly British citizens who's homes are attacked and lives put at risk by a foreign power.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 September 2010
09:0569127sid
i am sure you are aware that tony is not making a bean out of his book.
incidentally his tome is the fastest selling autobiography of all time, must have some admirers.
7 September 2010
09:2969132That is not wholly true Howard, I heard he is donating £4m to appease his conscience. The book will make more than that in the US alone. It will probably make a very good read, especially for those who really want to learn how to lie and cheat with a smile.
Keith, see post #31 from Peter to understand why the Indies exist. An anti-politburo creation!
7 September 2010
09:3069133Brian, #26, were you bending over when you made that statement?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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7 September 2010
09:5869139PETER/SID
To get the statement correct, labour are on Dover Town council your correct but its not the reason tories stood, on Deal town council Tories have been on that council for years, so please peter lets have a bit of fair play.
SID;
If indies were truely indy I would respect them much more, sadly many are not, 2 have stood for/campagned for the local tories, thats no great problem, but makes them less of an indy.
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7 September 2010
10:3069142Sounds to me Keith you real concern is Labour being swept out of Town Council at the next elections. In my view that would be no bad thing.
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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7 September 2010
10:3069143Keith; posting 29 para 5, parachuting councillors into wards?
St Radigunds ward councillors, Cowan lives in The Danes(Castle ward) Mills lives in River, Your own councillor Revell lives in St Radigunds. To his credit cllr Mills did attend the childrens day on Saturday at Triangles as did cllr Revell and the Smiths from Buckland but apparently the plane that cllr Cowan was due to parachute from didn't turn up so he didn't attand.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 September 2010
11:5069146thanks for that ken, good to know that councillor revell is alive and well and may at some point in the future pay a state visit to the ward.
7 September 2010
12:5269151Is that the same Councillor Mills who enjoys a spot of rough and tumble in addition to rugby allegedly?
Surely Keith, you aren't advocating double standards? One rule for Labour, one for everyone else? Sounds a bit dodgy to me.