Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
Absolutely Peter.
As a a gay man I cared not for the outcome of this vote OTHER than I expect to be treated equally.
I give no credence to organised religion and personally believe it should have no place in civil life (personal faith is different, but it is personal...).
I was and am perfectly happy with the civil partnership provisions as it is the state recognising and acknowledging gay relationships and treating them the same as heterosexual ones.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
Well said Ross.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
- Posts: 2,868
I agree with Ross, especially as the mother of a gay son.
---------------------------------------------------
Lincolnshire Born and Bred
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
ross.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
reading through this the consensus seems to be that the civil relationship thing was perfectly adequate without the need for all this palaver in parliament.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
It appears alexander is only expressing the views of the right wing half of the tory party
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,885
Well put Ross
Broadening the discussion very slightly, there is one expression that often gets bandied around that really annoys me, it is ...."It goes against nature". I can state that nature also has 'gay' animals because I owned two female ducks out of a small flock that were very obviously a pair and the poor drake was quickly seen off whenever he tried to make advances.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
It will be interesting to see what the mouse does next
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
- Posts: 2,594
I find this very odd Keith, Cameron has put forward a bill that you agree with, as do most conservative MPs and most other MPs, let alone the general public.
Yet still you try to make political capital out of it, even though he has done what you think is right.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
i thought that blue mp's were split down the middle over the issue.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
The mouse in my opinion is correct, but its not the majority of conservatives that went with it, half went for it
half against, members are leaving in droves, the bigger picture is, will the party allow him to survive
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
- Posts: 2,594
There are 303 tory MPs, 136 opposed it.
Its triballists that hold the country back, Keith agrees with Cameron's stance, so do most tories, it says everything about the current situation that this is the biggest stick they've got to hit him with.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
70% of Conservative MPs did not support this vote if you include abstainers and those who voted against.
The is s self-inflicted wound on Cameron but it is just a wound and, despite what Keith hopes for, is certainly not terminal.
This is also not a matter of just 'right wingers' as Keith would suggest, those against and abstainees were from across the Party spectrum as were those who voted for it.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
- Posts: 2,594
Correct Barry.
I don't rate Cameron at all, it says plenty to me that those in opposition want him out because of the things they agree with him on.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
certainly will be there until 2015, spare a thought for the poor voters who will have to decide between dave and ed.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
I did a typo above - the figure is 58% but if you take into account the payroll vote then the figure rises to 70% plus depending on how you work it out.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
- Posts: 2,594
They won't have to decide between those 2 Howard, Cameron won't be there.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
nobody to replace him david, least not anyone that the public would take to immediately. i cannot see anyone gving up a safe seat so that boris johnson can start a civil war between now and may 2015.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
- Posts: 2,594
Did you read the S Times Howard?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
Time is against the mouse
the tory party has shown in the past it is unforgiving.
it may be a gaping wound barryw, but one that the mouse will bleed to death on
slowly being removed from office
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
