Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Cut all of the benefits especially the housing benefits for new comers
Tack away the rights to NHS for new comers unless they have private health insurance
Take away rights to Education, for them that have not paid in to the system, or served in the forces of this country.
The problem will move on
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The authorities have taken out all the churches along Folkestone Road, and no doubt in the neighbouring side roads too. They are either derelict or have been knocked down.
Perhaps Folkestone Road has been recompensed for this outrage against the Authority In High.
Please don't come me with:
"we haven't got any money for churches"
Keith Sansum1
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ALEXANDER';
Not sure of the relevance relating to the subject post
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I am sure of the relevance, Keith.
We're talking about Folkestone Road, my post refers to Folkestone Road.
Churches along Folkestone Road were built for the use of the local community.
Is this a censorship on what one is not allowed to comment on, per chance?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Not at all Alexander - but Churches are not taken away by local authorities Alexander, they become derelict because no one attends/attended them and then are closed by the Church authorities.
I doubt if the people who cause the mess would ever have seen the inside of a church - "cleanliness is next to Godliness" used to be a saying, so no (attending) church, no cleanliness.
There are Churches close by if people want to attend church and pray for forgiveness for littering the streets/pavements/front-gardens, making too much noise etc.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ROGER;
This time you are correct lol
alexander, you have a big beef with the local authorities, but probably need to just look at what they remit is, what they can/cant do.
with regard to postings of course you can post what you like, thats what a lovely forum this is, your not told you will be banned for disagreeing.
but getting back to the subject in hand.
if you believe a church is required in folkestone road(you will recall the lovely
christchurch, was a lovely p[lace but unfortunatly numbers attending were not that good. so your church leaders made the decision to close it.
of course with all there dosh(they seem to have a lot) you could always lobby them to bring the church back?
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Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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There may be no churches but there are no pubs either. My travels show me that there is a massive church building programme in the countries that most of the new arrivals on the Folkestone Road come from. They don't come here to pray they come purely to better themselves financially as I did, but then I had contributed to the system before I availed myself of it.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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think ken we need that bacon roll to discuss this further lol
I think above i have highlighted some of things that need to be put in place if the situation is to remain, on top of this we have the present cobbled together govt not willing to do anything about it
so the problems go on
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, I wrote: the authorities.
Not local authorities. Although the latter did knock down Christchurch physically.
When Folkestone Road was built, and most of the houses that are here are from that original period, the planners and builders - the population and authorities of Dover in general - included churches in the original plan.
If 100-150 years ago the people who built and lived in Folkestone Road were to know that now all these churches have gone, they would have been shocked. So evidently the original plan has changed, culture and attitude has changed, so maybe somewhere along these lines could be found the explanation as to why so much litter is simply flung on the pavement.
Did people do this 100 years ago?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Of course things (and society) change - sometimes for the better, sometimes not.
As Kath has shown on her postings of years gone by, people would have been sent to prison or Australia if they did half of what people do now.
The vast majority of those who offend on the litter front, do not have English as their first language and perhaps have a different culture, where they're happy to live in a skip, but the rest of us not.
Roger
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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Dumping of anything or littering is unheard of in Eastern Europe as there is a culture of using everything as their standard of living is still behind ours. It is the norm' still for everyone to clean the area surrounding their homes and pride in their enviroment still exists and may I add I witness the aforementioned many times on my frequent visits to Eastern Europe.
The reason for the dumping on Folkestone Road is the new arrivals receive funding beyond their expectations and simply replace what they have and not being too aware of what to do with their discarded items simply dump it.
If DDC were to put the onus on landlords and make sure their forecourts were rubbish free or face massive fines or barred from recieving housing benefit for their properties(god I've wandered into cloud cuckoo land expecting DDC to do anything)
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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DDC officers have been out along the Folkestone Road, Ken - with an interpreter where necessary, advising people exactlty what is expected of them as regards their waste; it last for perhaps one day.
I have also suggested that the landlords are fined - DDC must know who they are as they pay the residents' benefits straight to the Landlords.
I have even asked about local bye-laws to see if there is any breach of them but we don't have any relevant ones, so asked if we can make some; I was then advised we have enough legislation to cover these breaches , but it just isn't being used.
I seriously hope that things will change when the zero tolerance approach is introduced and if they want to use this area as a pilot - great.
Fines for residents or landlords I don't mind, but probably the landlords, as they will then enforce it themselves - "comply or your out" will be their motto.
Roger
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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First of all Roger, well done I knew you would have already raised what was on my mind, namely enforcing or creating by laws to cover the problem.
The solution is to get those xxxxxxxx(not a swear word) DDC officers to look outside their comfortable existances and enforce the legislation they say is already in place so that the rest of us can regain some pride in our area for which you work so hard.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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things are now coming to a head in clarendon place, an unofficial group has started up and are planning to stop paying their council tax.
they argue that incessant noise pollution from music played excessivedly loud all hours of the day and night and unneccesary car horn tooting is ruining their quality of life.
the rubbish problem is now out of control, i took a walk along there an hour ago and the narrow pavement was blocked by a series of dumped objects, the biggest being a freezer the size you see in a shop.
i know the couple that are the ringleaders and they will carry this through.
watch this space for future developments.
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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Roger has been told by DDC officers that legislation is in place to deal with the problem. i doubt very much wether those officers have the expertise to or the confidence in their own ability to enforce that legislation. Legislation is enacted to ensure that society is both orderly and for the benefit of us all. Normally failure to comply with legislation means some penalty is incurred by the non complier.
If Roger could find out the legislation for me I will ask the DDC to enforce it and if they fail to do so I will raise the funds and instigate a civil action against them.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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You get what you vote for.
Withholding council tax is not the way to go.
The people effected need to protest within the law outside the council offices
And hold the overpaid officials within accountable.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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disagree keith the only method of bringing this to the fore is the docking of dosh.
i am just far enough away not to be affected by the things going on so will not join in the protest.
as for banners outside ddc's offices we did the same for our "ghost" hospital, no sign of it happening though.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Looks like civil disobedience is breaking out, then. To refuse to pay council-tax on account of an unruly neighbourhood could hit the big headlines nationwide.
Could there be a rampant benefits culture in the Folkestone Road-Clarendon area at the root of the problem?
Perhaps the authorities need to see who is claiming benefits and who is looking for work.
It's OK to claim benefits if you are also earnestly looking for work.
Although I don't want to say things I can't prove, however, are all the people getting benefits in this area actually abiding to the laws on looking for work and taking employment?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I don't think non-payment of Council tax is the way to go either; I will be happy to meet with them and take their concerns to DDC.
I accept that the problems are caused by a minority of people and the vast majority of those, do not have English as their first language - that's not to say they can't speak English, just that they choose not to when confronted by officialdom.
It is totally unfair on the normal law-abiding citiizen.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ROGER;
You do a fine job in trying to peace maker,
i think the harder line needs to be looked at now.
without doubt the council officers have spent some time on the folkestone road, but the situation hasn't improved.
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