Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Thank you for that clarification Kevin. On the BBC news the pundits were saying it may not be a wise thing to do as there are already large container ports and it would end up being a case of throwing good money after bad.
Pleased to hear that's not the case.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i was rather taken aback by the "business expert", i suspect there was not much notice given about the announcement so research into the subject matter was limited.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Just heard our MP pouring cold water on the announcement, jobs not high quality enough apparently, I despair.
Audere est facere.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Paul Watkins just been on the radio with a much more balanced view, obviously understands what Ports do.
Audere est facere.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Paul came over very well.A good news story.Jobs will be created ,surely a job is better than no job
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the jobs figure was given at about 600, but we don't know how many are just for the construction.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Nobody noting or giving credit to DPPT for being correct about the ferry traffic levels and how long it would take - in a best case scenario - for T2 (for ferries) to be remotely on the horizon. At last DHB recognise that I was correct back in 2010 when I first went public re T2 and how new market conditions had totally changed the game. I know that they feel that they have to fill in the Western Docks because if they don't carry out the HRO of 2011 within 10 years of its grant, they have to apply for a new one.
DHB have got the move of General Cargo and chilled goods from East to West right in principle (the principle of the move has been in the public domain from DPPT for a considerable amount of time) but significantly out of whack on so many levels on the detail of how to achieve it. I could write for many hours on the subject (and have, hopefully where it'll make a difference), but in short we have the same old DHB whose idea of informative consultation with the community is telling their community body - the PCF - just shortly before calling a press conference to announce it to the world in general what they are going to get and how good it will be for all of us.
The pictures of the 'vision' are basically T2 with the lorry park and the ferries wiped and replaced by what appears to be a single operationally effective cargo berth (which won't support the number of new jobs that the DHB have said), a whole load of warehouses/logistics/packaging stations (which won't be manned or operated by DHB staff and which may (or may not) provide new jobs for up to 320 people (sorry but the headline is wrong - it is not 600 new jobs, the entire complex may employ up to 600 people)) and some containers. The announcement goes long on lovely quotes and short on any real detail and is missing significant elements with regards to, financing, traffic mitigation, connectivity other than by road, reduction of Town Wall Street Traffic, rerouting of Eastern Docks bound vehicles, etc. The development announced by the DHB will cost more than T2 to realise and without the related projects, both along the town front and in the wider county, will not attract the logistics providers and cargo to make it financially viable in the long term.
It is good that after many years the DHB are talking about an expanded workforce associated with the port, but, and it is a big but (in the style of another local organisation), where is the means of delivery and the means by which such a complex will become sustainable.
DPPT vision is somewhat different in its detail with regards to how General Cargo and Chilled goods are serviced and given the room that they need for growth with the additional jobs that come from that growth and we continue to work to ensure that the community are properly (meaningfully) represented through ownership and in the governance of the port so that future port development is economically viable, realistic and linked with the needs of the ports customers, the town and the wider community. DHB continue to operate in their own silo on the basis of what we have seen yesterday.
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Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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You always make me smile Mr Vic. DHB clearly do not know more, as they have proven several times over the last few years - particularly in regard to operational port development in line with existing and mid-term market conditions.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Thank you Neil very informative, I just hope the jobs go to locals rather than imported labour.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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a lot of talk about jobs but no mention of loss of local amenities.
that aerial shot is no help in deciding if we will lose part of our beach or whether we would enjoy the same views as we do now from the prince of wales pier.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Have you not seen the plans Howard?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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saw something in the past sue that showed a walkway along the pier and new marina, not seen an artist's impression of the result though.
do we lose any beach?
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Yes Howard, the DHB plans do indicate a loss of beach.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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Oh dear, MORE loss of beach !
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Guest 732- Registered: 8 Nov 2011
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Neil we'll said , I to have been trying to explain to people that the 600 job are just a propaganda exercise by Waggot and any jobs that are created will no doubt be on poorly paid contracts and 0 hrs , which are already in the port. In 2007 there were 750 people employed by DHB now there are only 320.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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which side of beach are we going to loose? harbour beach or shakespeare beach?
Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou ☺🌈🌄🌌🌏🌍🌎
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Heike, in the DHB Vision, we'll lose some beach between the Prince of Wales Pier and the Sea Sports Centre and it looks like access to the Shakespeare beach will become even more restricted.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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sounds like a slippery slope to me, once the public get accustomed to losing part of the beach they won't complain when more is lost.
