Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
Outward Bound does not have to be out of this country, they could equally be left in the middle of some barren landscape in Britain.
I like your practical idea Marek.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
ROGER/BARRYW
It's correct in what you say that Dave talks tough, but when it comes down to it, no change.
Yes the prisons are full and some could be released(some have) but locking eveyone up isnt always the answer, and we should look deeper at both the causes, and what we realy want to achieve out of all of this.
ther lock them up brigade, do little to help the situation.
some very hard working community workers are warning the cut backs in yout provision which has helped so many youngsters, will only make the problem worse, and where as many were taken off the street many have returned to the streets.
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
barry,national service is volotering without volotering ok.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
thanks for the clarification brian.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
thats ok howard,pleased to help.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
Err what is weird??????????????????????
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
Brian's post 23, relate it back to previous posts.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
- Posts: 8,115
Questions will be asked with regards to Gov's unemployment policy, not creating enough work for the people living in Britain.
The rioters, looters and arsonists should be arrested, placed in work columns and sent to work.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
good to see you back alex, did you have a good holiday?
some members were saying that you had gone to an idyllic pacific atoll where you had divine food served up by dusky maidens wearing grass skirts and attending to your every whim.
my on view was that you were staying in that caravan at clacton again.
who was correct?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
- Posts: 8,115
I had gone away from Kent the Garden, working, and returned today.
On crossing the Thames, half way over the Dartford bridge, there's a sign saying: welcome to Kent, and the landscape suddenly changes:
no more electricity pilons everywhere, but green vegetation, trees, brooks, valleys, home sweet home.
No more riots, no havoc, fruit and berries everywhere.
I've just gone out into the back garden and picked apples, pears, plums and blackberries.
Our White Horsy of Kent smiling, challenging back as always!
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
- Posts: 919
Do not burden our serving armed forces who are all volunteers with the problem of taking these louts in hand. Instead set up some military style training camps in the empty military camps around the country and there are a few.
Then run these camps with military personnel just coming out of the forces to give these idiots (male and female) 6 to 12 weeks of military style training that all service personnel get when they first join up. They may cry a bit for the first few weeks but one thing for sure they will find out what discipline is.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
I totally agree with you Harry - in fact it should be part of the education for all youngsters when they leave secondary school (before Uni/College) a modern kind of what they used to call 'finishing school'.... Have to keep the human right rubbish out of the way though and, what's more, make it 50's style!!
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
Can't agree Barry, that would mean the majority of youngsters who have never been or likely to be in trouble having to do it.
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Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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Barry I can't believe you have forgotten about Willie Whitelaw's 'short, sharp, shock' policy and Michael Howard's 'boot camps'. They were so successful they were quickly and quietly dropped. Army style discipline did not have the impact that was hoped in fact young offenders (YO) came out fitter and tougher and merrily went back to doing what they knew best. Only where efforts were made to find employment for young offenders before they left the institution and where they were supported into these did re-offending rates reduce.
A Home Office review of the camps concluded:
"What lessons can be drawn from this experiment? These regimes certainly did not deter offending by tough "boot camp" treatment. It is clear that many YOs liked being kept busy all day, liked an Army-style regime, liked sports and physical training, and became healthier, fitter and more self-confident. In Colchester, YOs liked being treated with respect and liked receiving paternalistic advice from masculine role models. However, none of these benefits of an intensive regime seemed to be followed by decreased reconviction rates. Purely from the viewpoint of reducing reoffending, cognitive-behavioural skills training programmes and assistance in the transition from the YOI to the community (especially in getting jobs) were probably more important. Hence, the main message that might be drawn
from this evaluation is that more resources should be devoted to offending behaviour and after-care programmes for young offenders."
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Mark - they got it wrong, too short and not sharp enough and not properly introduced. Too many namby pamby social workers involved.
Jan - its not a punishment, its character building and would do them all a great deal of good.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
If you do not want to do it and it is forced on you it is a form of punishment. What might be "character building" to you would be a punishment to me if I had to do it against my will and would fill me full of resentment and who knows where that might lead.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
They have to go to school, is that punishment? - this would be just part of their schooling. We all have to do things we don't want to do, thats part of life and all kids have to learn that.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
all very fanciful stuff from barry and harry(sounds like a pop duo), there is simply no money to build camps and pay for staff.
we cannot even imprison the latest offenders.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
Yet another subject not worth arguing/debating with you, all I will add is that at eighteen they are young adults with minds of their own and are no longer kids as you put it.
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