Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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As I made known on the Forum over a year ago, we need discipline for young people, a kind of military training involving cross-country walks, comradeship, mutual respect, no swearing while on duty, no drinking, up at 6
, and on-site training in local factories and farms.
Part-time work to start with (full time for those who want it).
Once the soldiery is inducted into work attitude and experience, then they can continue working as civilians following the standard procedures.
A few months training should be enough.
Any who wish to continue in the comradeship service can participate on weekends or the odd day off, even after fiinding work.
At the time this idea was presented, several people on the Forum compared it to a Pol Pot style regime proposal, which I considered very unfair, as the participants would be volunteers and there would be no bullying.
Nice to know that more people are thinking this way, and maybe this idea of mine will receive wind in the sails and take off!
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Two hopes...None and Bob
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Who is Bob?
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Bob Hope the famous comedian/actor
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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marek/alex,thats two hopes,bob hope and no hope and one them is dead.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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talking of bob hope, when lying on his death bed the family asked him where he wanted to be buried.
his reply came back, "surprise me".
Alec Sheldon
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How about Stamford no hope in Essex.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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We've had lots of talk recently about the benefits of army discipline but in Saturday's Daily Telegraph is a report of a soldier who was arrested for dealing in goods stolen in the riots. The army say they expect more soldiers to appear in front of magistrates. Not too reassuring.
Also a 14 year old boy taken to the police by his parents was picked up because he stole a pack of chewing gum. The magistrate said he would have liked to give a custodial sentence.
I return to my theme of bankers and MPs - and let's not forget senior police men who were not averse to taking a bung from a national paper. The rule of law is looking increasingly frail.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Mark - Every one of the rioting, looting scumbags were guilty of a crime. You keep on about MPs and bankers, a minority of whom broke the law and have been jailed. As for bankers, they did only what Brown changed the regulations to allow and urged them to do and even then, most were wise enough to ignore the fool. So answer a direct question, should Brown be jailed and if so for what actual crime? Sadly the many 'crimes' Brown committed, among them his irresponsible and unsustainable spending splurge, are not actually against the law though it should be.
There is no doubt that some of the people tasked with our leadership have let us down badly, setting exceptionally poor examples and trying to evade the (very clearly broken) laws that are applicable. That does not excuse those people who committed such appalling acts of violence and robbery on a defenceless public, many within their own communities. ALL should be subject to the law. There is no excuse for not applying the rule of law with a sensible hand to everyone living here.
Jan Higgins
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Bern, that just about sums it up.
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Keith Sansum1
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And barryw wouldn't expect me to allow him just to lay the blame at one person's door.
Those that caused the violence/criminal actions were wrong, and should be dealt with severely, but cameron has talked tough, but in reality the prisons are full and there are no where to send the looters even if the courts wanted to.
So having nice sound bites is ok, but people look at reality and have seen through cameron, a weak man.
most people are clear the looters were wrong, but we shouldn't just forget that we have/had this underlying problem that our very own leaders have been caught -up
in both legal and illegal expenses sham.
trying to justify to someone in poverty, or struggling to keep there head above water that it's fine for our MP's to have a wage over a hundred thousand, it can't be justified.
sadly some have said yep those illegal ones, dealt with them, but the legal ones
thats fine its legal thats not the right answer, and it will come back to bite them.
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Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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ALL crime-breakers should be dealt with, mitigating circumstances taken into account (IF there are any).
Some cases of theft, sentenced to hanging around 1800, were because mothers needed to feed their hungry children and were desperate to survive, no help in those days, but this is not usually the case today.
Petty theft seems almost 'fashionable' and should be dealt with more appropriately - redress and repay whether a packet of chewing gum or a TV.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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KATHY
I share your view but added to that we -need to see the WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER actually come into being.
I have highlighted just one of many examples above on where this is not happening, and just causiung resentment, and doesn't help the bigger picture
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Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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I agree Keith, we are all in it together is so important.
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The theft of Chewing gum isnt the inportant thing , its the act of rioting or looting that is being punished not the value of the item taken .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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They've got a PR company behind them. Guaranteed they will be the stars of a TV docudrama within a year.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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None of us know if his story is true or not although it does seem a bit weak.
I do not understand how his mother can be evicted for something her young adult son might have done. I would have thought the council would have the right to ban him from the property though which is the more practical answer.
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Tenancy agreements, especially in social housing, are usually quite clear that the person signing is responsible for the site and people on it. I think people don't take it seriously because no-one ever bothers to enforce it. So Hurrah if they do!