Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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He may still have the uniform; and there are certainly pictures of him in it on the Internet - if you know where to look.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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His name is Karl.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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ok peter,thanks.
out of curiosaty peter what days/time does he pop in.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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we need his full name, rank and serial number in order to comply with the geneva convention.
let's hope he complies otherwise punitive action may have to be taken.
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To be fair to him, he was never in tune with the Nazis, he was horrified at what they were doing, his uniform was that of a Wehrmacht officer, not the dreaded SS.
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they all say that peter, it is a wonder they ever got an army together.
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A series of splitting of hairs?
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Hitler ran one of then most horrific and disgusting regimes in history, rivalled only by Stalin who is now known to have murdered even more people than Hitler. I suspect that some idiots would be out wearing Soviet uniforms on stag parties in the same way some do the Nazi uniform if the uniform was 'sexier' so to speak.
Just because some fool wears such a uniform in a leisure activity of some kind it is wrong to assume they are 'celebrating' or approving of the regime the uniform is associated with. I really do think certain conclusions are being jumped to here that are simply wrong and a drunken idiotic lark is all that happened.
I have certainly not been defending them (Reg) but trying only to put it into perspective.
It is correct that certain things are banned in some countries, the swastika for instance in Germany, for understandable reasons. But overall it is not illegal to wear a Nazi uniform even though it may show poor judgement and bad taste on the part of the wearer. You cannot legislate for bad taste.
Incidentally - when I build models of Luftwaffe aircraft, like the Bf109 I made recently, I add a swastika to the tail because that is what the real aircraft actually had. To do so I have to buy aftermarket decals because some manufacturers do not provide them (some German companies like Revell and Airfix who export to Germany in particular). 'Dressing' a model in an authentic way like that is no different to someone re-enacting a Nazi in an authentic uniform, but that would not mean I would want a load of Nazi re-enactors at Pencester for the weekend. Sarah, yes I know what you mean, I have felt uncomfortable among them at War and Peace and no doubt there are some very dubious individuals among them, as picked up by the tv programme you referred to. But - that is not the case for the majority who are interested in the history, some of whom also belong the US or British groups. They do act the part when in uniform though and that adds to the creepiness when around them and that more than anything is why I do not want such German groups at Pencester.
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# 15...........................best to stop digging the proverbial..............
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You should know about that Reg.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I have no problems with the people dressing like that and I am sure Sarah will say the same (I know a few Nazis myself
. It was the concentration camp trolley that was out of order. Similarly with the modern mugs and keyrings with swastikas have no historical relevance so shouldn't have been allowed and severely marred the event for me....
Been nice knowing you :)
Absolutely Paul. Again well said as far as I am aware very few members of the Reich went around with Tshirts with a picture of Hitler on them Or mugs proudly proclaiming that the owner is a member of the SS. The piece de resistance was that well documented historical artefact the Deaths Head bikini I'm sure the curators of the Imperial War museum where just queuing up to own them.
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Been nice knowing you :)
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This was a full page story in the sun today, the MP does himself or his position any favours what so ever with this kind of behaviour, knowing full well it may cause upset or even lose him his job.
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It's totally unacceptable for an elected politician to associate with people wearing Nazi uniforms.
Whatever Peter is trying to say about a man who was a Nazi, is irrelevant, because many members of the Nazi Party were shocked at what Hitler's regime evolved into.
By the time they found out (those who were shocked that is), Hitler had divisions of SS and Gestapo to lock people up who openly disagreed.
The idea of finding it attractive AFTER it all happened, and with all the knowledge of what went on, is unbelievable.
If the MP had politely got up and walked out of the door, leaving the stag party, he'd have gained the approval of many.
He had his hour of fun instead, and now it would be better he left Parliament.
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alex
peter said that the man was not a nazi.
many officers were not either, field marshall rommel for instance.
usually meant they ended up on meat hooks unfortunately.
It is idiocy to judge individuals caught up in that toxic regime apart from the perpetuators and the instigators. I know a few people on both sides of the divide who were victims, not monsters. And I think that makes it even more stupid and venomous to celebrate (and whatever you say barryW, to wear the uniform that represents such a toxic entity and faff about drinking and repeating the myths is no more or less than condoning and celebrating it) the regime that made that possible.
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My sinsere apologies for the misunderstanding.
But Peter's irrelevant post 19, if you read it, is the cause of the misunderstanding.
My point was, we're not talking of men who served in the German forces in WW2, but of an MP serving the People in Parliament in 2011.
This just adds insult to injury ,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2073525/Hypocrisy-Labour-MPs-researcher-exposed-Hitler-salute-picture-emerges.html
Apparently neither the person concerned or the Labour party are avaliable for comment , I have scant repsect for Politics as an institution ( but great respect for some individuals ) but the hypocrasy of the expose and the exposer haave really plumbed a new depth , after all whats the deaths of a minimum of 60.000.000 people or 2.6 % of the worlds population compared with posturing and point scoring
