howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the problem of youth unemployment is a pressing one, nothing more dangerous than youthful energy with nowhere to channel it.
if they stay on the dole too long it becomes the norm and we have another lost generation.
Ross Miller
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Indeed Howard
However the answer is not to create huge swathes of public sector jobs, but to create the right conditions to encourage the growth of small businesses, social enterprises and other third sector employers. Also we need to create the conditions that encourage the young to set their own businesses up. This of course demands that the banks fulfill their promise to increase lending (particularly RBS & Lloyds) to SMEs unlike now
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15718590 and also for the UK Innovation Investment Fund to extract its digit. Public Sector spending will just require more borrowing and consequently longer and deeper cuts in the future
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Good to see Bombardier have just won a £15m maintenance contract from ScotRail
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Ross, I often see people coming for the first time to Britain, already with a job: Tilmanstone Salads. They employ them directly through an agency in their own country now.
The vast majority of jobs going in Kent are aimed specifically at eastern Europeans.
Time to give up!
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Alexander - rather than give up surely we should be asking the question what has happened to convince these employers that they are better off seeking employees from Eastern Europe rather than persevering with locals?
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Because, Ross, the eastern Europeans are accustomed to 1.5 euro an hour, so over here they get 5 times more.
It's psychological fact that they will work like machines, say: yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir.
They usually live two to a room, dividing the costs of accommodation, so it pays off.
As said, we might as well give up. No chance. We're done!
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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I think you are rather deliberately missing the point
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex makes a good point but misses a more important one, if an employer contacts an overseas agency to get staff then the staff are paid the minimum wage for the country that they come from.
agricultural and low skill factory jobs are ideal.
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In this case we are doomed!
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Sad to see this level of xenophobia
Back to the point though I am sure that most local employers have had major issues with the local job seekers that has meant they prefer people who will do an honest days work - hence the recruiting on foreign shores
No one has a birth right to a job - it has to be earned - the sooner locals learn and accept that the sooner they will start to get work; but then again seeing as many of them appear to have singularly failed to learn anything, other than how to maximise their benefit cheques, since they started at school ...
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Nothing to do with xenophobia, Ross.
The problem is, you misunderstand me!
My ideals are universal. I believe in social justice, and that local people should come first when work is offered.
However, Ross, I believe that this should be so in all countries. I would say the same for Poland or Lithuania, or any country in the world.
It's not xenophobia. It's unfortunate that you mininterpret me on this.
But apart from that, it is a fact that if an employer can get someone on a contract much lower than our minimum wage, as Howard pointed out, then local people really stand little chance here of getting a factory job no matter how they tried or how good they were.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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today the government shoved £.80 million quid in the direction of bombadier to help them to secure another order.
still no news from them on whether the tender for siemens will go out again.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Apparantly not Howard, which is a shame as we should have supported our own businesses and work-forces.
Roger
Keith Sansum1
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roger
its more than a shame its a scandal
let down by our own govt
but with you on this one roger
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To suggest that criticism of policies which end up with those from other countries taking jobs from those born here are xenophobia is sticking one's head in the sand. It's a bit like setting off a firework in a room and hoping that nobody gets hurt.
Naive doesn't even begin to describe the policies enacted by the last labour government. Gormless might be more an apt description.
Their ideas and general ideas of the liberal left are causing immense damage to this and other countries in Europe.
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Thanks, Philip, I was quite worried and asked myself: "am I xenophobic?" The answer came: No!
Howard, the contract Bombardier got is worth 189 million quid sterling, which is even better.
As for the Thameslink order the Ministry for Transport has to decide over, it is still an unsigned contract, so the issue is open. The Unions are pressing the Government to choose British manufacturers, hence Bombardier, for the Thameslink trains.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex
the tender was agreed then the european chaps said it would be in order to go out for tender again.
there has been no response from the government.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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PhilipP - agree with your post 55 - spot on and that is the reason why we are having so many cuts.
Roger
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The new order is worth £188 million overall which is a great boost to the Bombardier company and to the people there in Derby with skills to treasure. We mustnt lose those skills. However its only a small order in comparison to the order the current government placed with Siemens in Germany, which as I understand it was in the billion rather than million ballpark.
The German economy is thriving because it held on to its manufacturing skills when it was unfashionable to do so..you name it and they build it. We have to hold on to our jobs and skills here by giving the contracts to our home grown organisations and skills. Lose those skills and you are out of the manufacturing arena for ever.
Bob Crowe was on TV yesterday saying roughly the same...the Germans build 100% of their own railways, the Japanese 100% of their own railways, with France and Spain building 90% of their railways and so on...we mustnt give our jobs away..open tenders are good in one way in that they keep the price down but some compromise must be reached. We will be undercut by the emerging nations in the years ahead..so what happens then? Global market tendering could finish us, so there must be some degree of protectionism.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Germany hung on to its skills because they never went in for massive subsidies of failing strike ridden inefficient industries back in the 70's.
Government subsidies do not offer a long term solution to anything merely a short-term fix.