Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,894
Same here Peter
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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now i am going to play devils advocarte here,and you have to larf at this.how long have we had frozen food on the menu,years i suspect,so how long have we had horse meat in proceced foods,about the same amount of time i suspect.so why hasnt any one said any thing before now.
just because its labeled beef,pork,lamb dosent mean it is,now think on it.do have fun.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Most checks carried out by Food Safety organisation have been for just that - safety, not fraud, which this seems to be; horsemeat is cheaper than beef, up to 50% cheaper, so these East European countries have been defrauding the companies they have sold it on to.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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maybe so roger,but the question is how long have they been doing it for.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"Three food and health-related stories in less than three weeks is not a coincidence but an indicator of how much is wrong with our industrial-scale food supply systems.
Horse burgers, halal meat contaminated by pork (Contaminated halal meat supplier named, 4 February) and a "silent epidemic" of food poisoning from uncooked chicken meat (Face the Facts, BBC Radio 4, 16 January) are indicative of a system under pressure and operating at a scale that makes many feel uncomfortable.
It is clear that local producers should play a much more significant role in the nation's food supply chain. However, more supportive and clearer signals are required from both politicians and the "big beasts" of the food world. Buying local is good for the economy, good for the environment and good for you.
Edwyn Martin
Manager, Produced in Kent"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/10/real-beef-about-horsemeatIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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this subject came up on the paul watkins show yesterday and true to form it was turned into a party politics issue. the shadow minister from something or other ranted about the blues making a mockery of food standards and not safeguarding the public. the interviewer then pointed out that her government had cut down on inspections at abattoirs. didn't stop her going on though, more's the pity.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Yes Howard, and some prole went on to mention an old speech of Dave's, while in opposition, in which he called for an end to the FSA.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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missed that bit tom, proves my point though about point scoring taking precedence over solving problems.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Brian, in answer to your question: how long have they been selling horse meat?, perhaps someone in Poland or Romania will come forward and tell the Press.
The cat will be let out of the sack sooner or late.
Let's call it "the EU meat scandal".
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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alex,the romainian preident has said it did not come from romania but from else where,evan the polish are pointing to france and other western europe.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I wouldn't believe the Romanian minters f... berth certificate
There a mafia run country
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Apparently the meat that left Romania was in large pieces not minced so for me the onus swings back to the production factory.
I know I have never seen raw horse meat but surely to an experienced production controller's naked eye it would look and smell different to beef, so either there was a fiddle or gross negligence at the factory..
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Horse and beef are hard to tell apart off the bone, even when fresh, let alone when frozen. Similar colour, similar smell, similar muscle structure. And bear in mind that most beef that goes into processed food is not from beef cattle but from knackered dairy cows. Bet you didn't know that one. As for traceability- ask a supermarket where a piece of beef comes from. Go on, just try it.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Thanks Peter, I assumed that like a sommelier can differentiate wines a meat expert would be able to tell what meat was what it would not matter if it was frozen a sample would be thawed.
As it happens I did know that any old bit of animal gets processed so long as it is passed fit for human consumption. My daughter who works at Morrisons is 99% sure that they have their own farms and all their beef if British.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Jan, I have read recently, comments from an ex-truck driver, one that delivered to supermarkets. He said that it was a common complaint amongst drivers that Morrisons, and one other, were meticulous about paper work etc. checking everything thoroughly before they would accept delivery.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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MS are the same I was working at one of their f/plants and a lorry came in full of meat,it was all turned away because it was not at the right temperature.I aske the driver what do you do with that lot now.Well he said "I will not take it all the back to Scotland,it goes to a market place". MS are very good food coming in must be right,or it is not taken.
Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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People ate "Vienna Steak" during WW2, nobody complained.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I have sometimes wondered what picture might appear, of the fantastical beast upon which it feeds, in the mind of my dog.
It has many wings, yet is unlikely to fly considering the enormity of it's other limbs and organs. Part pig, part chicken, part cow, sheep, lamb, horse even. A cross between Pig-asus and a Minnow-taur?
Doubtless, the mutt concludes that however big and ugly it may be it is a cinch to catch and kill.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Presumably horse is a lot cheaper ,, may be it should be offered for sale
If it's the same as beef I would give it a go beefs a right rip of at the moment