howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Looks like the end for them now with the leader resigning and the local candidate not even turning up for the count. Nigel Farage is now saying he is needed more than ever but his old party s not fit for purpose now.
Keith Sansum1
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UKIP now a spent force
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Years ago when I was having a meal with Mr Farage,I did say UKIP NEED to have more then one policy ,also at that time the party leaders said we do not need to put up for local council seats I said how wrong they were to think along lines like that,and now we see what happen to them for having a main policy,there is a way back for them it will be hard but if they do it right this time round with a good leader then they will be back,Mr Farage will be back again lets hope he gets it right this time.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Farrage will(if he returns) put it back into a one policy party, he would only comeback because of brexit.
UKIP needed to widen its views it didn't and now people see them as a spent force
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Jan Higgins
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I think if it looks like a "soft" Brexit he will be out there shouting the odds as he just loves being in the limelight.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Hi Jan, you are correct, but for UKIP it needed to move away from it's one policy party.
Bringing Farrage back will just move it back to a one policy party.
just a very very small protest party now
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Vic Matcham wrote:Years ago when I was having a meal with Mr Farage,I did say UKIP NEED to have more then one policy ,also at that time the party leaders said we do not need to put up for local council seats I said how wrong they were to think along lines like that,and now we see what happen to them for having a main policy,there is a way back for them it will be hard but if they do it right this time round with a good leader then they will be back,Mr Farage will be back again lets hope he gets it right this time.
Fundamentally, it is a single issue party. It is certainly viewed like that by the electorate. It has very successfully, in its mandate, achieved it's goal (which is actually a step refer than its predecessor - The Referendum Party). All the time it is called U.K.
INDEPENDENCE Party it will be seen as nothing more than the party to ensure leaving the EU. It has to re-badge to stay in existence, that's obvious in my opinion.
The more meaningful question is, given its manifesto and spurious/erratic, often misaligned views, what does it stand for outside of what it has already achieved? What is the point in carrying on if you have nothing tangible and coherent to offer. (I don't mean that as a discredit to UKIP, I mean that inasmuch as their core belief has been delivered, anything else they wish to offer is outside of their core purpose.)
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Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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There was a misconception that UKIP was all ex tories, as results locally and nationally showed it was an equal split between labour and tory.
UKIP are the most influential political party in decades, it managed to get us out of the EU with 1 MP, a remarkable achievement. Certain (inadequate) people are gloating at its perceived demise but everybody in UKIP, Farage included, is satisfied at a job well done.
The party tribalists can continue with their name calling and petty politics, kippers are totally relaxed.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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UKIP a finished protest party now, they did the job they set out to do, and maybe whilst Brexit in parts is still uncertain maybe worth staying around,otherwise a spent force as most see them as.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Said it before they need to get a new name and start all over again.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Theres not a need for another party
it did the job it set out to do and did it well
time to move on now
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Farage will be back to rip away labour voters unhappy at open borders.
and the labour party will sooner eat shite before closing the borders.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Just had that very conversation, Keith. I am very opposed to Brexit, but recognize any Labour push to water down Brexit now would not be a wise move. Far better, from a Labour perspective, to do absolutely nothing. Sort the PLP out and let the Tories get on with Brexit. Get too involved and I fear your prediction might be right.
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Neil Moors wrote:Just had that very conversation, Keith. I am very opposed to Brexit, but recognize any Labour push to water down Brexit now would not be a wise move. Far better, from a Labour perspective, to do absolutely nothing. Sort the PLP out and let the Tories get on with Brexit. Get too involved and I fear your prediction might be right.
your analysis is probably spot on with that Neil
but I don't see labour keeping out of this, they are wedded to international socialism and open borders,,, the activists will not be silent on this one.
If the Torys were smart they wouled be shovelling cash into UKIP,,, but I don't think they are ,lol,
they have totally missed the Bus
John Buckley
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David is correct in saying that Kippers are " relaxed " regarding the state of the party simply because, and against all odds, the main aim of having a referendum has now been achieved.
The only reason that I joined UKIP some twelve years ago was purely because they were the only party that told the truth about the EU and as all the others were doing bugger all about that corrupt, expensive and wasteful institution it was UKIP that grabbed my attention.
To be honest, like most other members, I personally found UKIP's other policies secondary to the main issue and only joined in order to assist with our removal from the EU who I then perceived to be detrimental to the UK and our way of life in so many ways.
However, although it's now "job done", if Brexit is indeed fudged then you may well see the reemergence of the party. Contrary to the remoaners bleatings, people did in the main know what they were voting for and if we end up with a "soft" Brexit then that is not tantamount to leaving the EU at all which is what we voted for. If that does in fact become the eventual outcome, no matter how the government dress up the situation, many of us will be looking for blood!
We will know more of course a few months down the line, but until then UKIP is just simmering on the back burner perhaps waiting for the gas to be turned up!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I think it is generally acknowledged that UKIP achieved all what they set out to do, there would never have been a Referendum without them. What I can't grasp is why they are carrying on when as John has said other policies were not really important to their core support. They put up council candidates recently who got mostly rejected b the voters and in the General Election putting up candidates that were not even actively canvassing. Our own local candidate didn't even turn up at the count and I don't remember him attending any of the hustings. The costs of deposits and election literature really could have been saved and the money used later should the Brexit deal not go the way they wanted.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Henry Bolton lunches his bid for the leadership at Dover Town Hall in the stone hall this Saturday the 12th from 11 am until 1 pm.
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Deluded. He'll do well.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Henry Bolton lunches his bid for the leadership at Dover Town Hall in the stone hall this Saturday the 12th from 11 am until 1 pm.
Presumably not an open meeting? Anyone know how to get an invite? How's he going to spread this out over two hours?
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This is the dead parrot sketch, right?
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(Not my real name.)
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