Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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I think you will find it's 2 UKIP representatives and an Indy.
The article related to UKIP so I only posted on that issue.
To a point you are correct across the chamber there has always been a few active cllrs in the chamber, some others good in the ward.
My point just on this post is that UKIP has just disappeared, came in on the crest of a wave, people voting for whatever reason for the protest party.
I thought they would have become a party to be reckoned with.
Instead they have gone into hiding,
Certainly all the activists/candidates in my ward we havn't seen since last District elections.
Not good for democracy.
They could have done so much better.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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What does an Honorary Alderman do????
Feels VERY important and marinates in his/her own pomposity?
+ the bit about driving sheep along Admiralty Pier.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,257
"Locally as the article indicates UKIP are falling apart, resigning standing again as indies
shame really because apart from Dovers general election candidate, across the country people got behind UKIP "
Not to be picky! but considering David gained 20% of the vote while nationally ukip gained 12.5% I think he did rather well, can you explain why you think otherwise?
disclaimer in no way are the comments above an endorsement or representive of my views or opinions
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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They have had Honary Alderman at KCC for years.Bill Newman is one as was Bryan Cope.A bit like the Freeman of Dover.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,875
Maybe the Captain should publicly make known who those quiet but party loyal councillors are, then we as voters might be able to vote them out, that is if they are equally useless in their respective wards.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Hi Reginald,
With Dover being a marginal swinging from Labour to Tory, and UKIP at that time on the crest of a wave, I thought Dover's UKIP candidate would have come second, bearing in mind the two major parties were so unpopular.
Obviously must have thought same as he left them.
Jan; Whilst naming and shaming will highlight those that are not effective the problem remains who do you replace them with? that's one of the problems never enough candidates, or candidates that have shown they wouldn't be any better
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Clearly not the case for Charlie he held his majority and David increased the ukip percentage 17 points, primarily from Libdems which reflected the national consensus, but by any standards he did well riding that ukip wave, just couldn't convince the Labour faithfull. I am no fan of man or party but I'll give due credit where it's due
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Reginald;
OK willing to accept your view
I share your view on not being a fan
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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It pains me but c'est la vie
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Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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Mr Barrington, you are beginning to realise that Sansum and the truth are total strangers, thank you for pointing out some uncomfortable facts to him.
It's easy to draw the conclusion that ukip won votes from the lib dems last May in Dover & Deal, however that wasn't the case. Disaffected Libs voted Labour, Ukip stole Labour votes hence winning 3 seats in Labour wards.
I'm not a career politician like some, I have a living to earn and a life to lead, unlike Sansum who has been involved for three decades and achieved the sum total of not much at all. Oh, he was expelled from Labour - did you ever get round to asking him why? If I bump into you I'll tell you.
Be respectful to other members
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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D Little wrote:Oh, he was expelled from Labour - did you ever get round to asking him why? If I bump into you I'll tell you.
Oh
DO stop teasing David. [U]If[/U] it's true it's not libel so why not tell us? Many would view being expelled from the Labour Party as being a sign in someone's favour.
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I would tell Bob but the modus operandi of the forum is half baked rumour and nudge nudge wink wink so I thought I'd follow suit.
btw is Sansum still a PCSO? I heard that didn't end well either.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Nuttal name is now on the line as is UKIP hes expected to win anything less will be seen as a failure
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Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Nuttal name is now on the line as is UKIP hes expected to win anything less will be seen as a failure
Sansum, I appreciate you have a weird obsession with Ukip and that we are all entitled to an opinion, but opinions with any validity are backed up by facts. Let's have a look at the FACTS in Stoke on Trent.
Labour have held the seat since 1950, in May 2015 Hunt got just over 12000, Ukip just over 7000, beating the Conservatives by 33.
Perhaps you can explain (you can't but I'm one of life's optimists) why Nuttall failing to overturn that deficit will be seen as failure.
Thank you, political discourse can be interesting and illuminating, I look forward to reading your erudite and unbiased response.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Courtesy of Paddy Power.
STOKE ON TRENT CENTRAL BY ELECTION Thursday 23rd February 2017, 12:00
UKIP 4/5
Labour evens
Conservative 25/1
Liberal Democrat 25/1
Green 200/1
Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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Great news for Sansum, the gist of his post is UKIP are certs, he can get an 80% return on his money.
I'd be surprised if UKIP won, the resources aren't a patch on Labour's who know exactly how to win elections like this. UKIP have won 2 by elections, on both occasions the MP was incumbent, albeit changing parties, this is different altogether.
I like Nuttall very much and would be pleased if he won but anybody backing them at odds on must be mad.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think there is an expectation for Nuttall to do better than just an also ran.
Without doubt in some seats fought by both the major parties they tend to get out in numbers, as they have only the one seat to fight, and lots of resources.
There's no doubt the referendum, together with smaller parties now taking votes from the major parties they will need to listen.
Peoples opinions are changing, no longer just voting for one party or the other, It has been a welcomed and refreshing elections to see the major parties challenged, both at a national and local level.
Sadly at the local level where the grass roots are, and you can build up your support for future general elections we have seen UKIP almost disappear, with internal disputes and lack of any kind of grass roots involvement, which I find a shame as the more candidates the better I feel to challenge the status quo
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Ukip policy to guarantee the right to stay of European workers.
The British working class want them out .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Labour and UKIP neck and neck at 10/11 each with the bookies now, recent gaffes by UKIP of giving Paul Nuttall's address in Stoke when he hadn't moved in followed by him not knowing the names of the six towns that make up Stoke on Trent didn't help their cause.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Have to agree with Farage as Carswell had only left the Tories to save his parliamentary skin and has never looked at home in UKIP.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/28/douglas-carswell-suggests-ukip-basket-case-nigel-farage-calls/