Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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Sweet joy! After 13 years of New Labour and 3 years of coalition I had forgotten how much fun it was watching the Tories tear themselves apart. Combine same sex marriages and the EU with "swivel-eyed loons" and just sit back and watch them self destruct!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i must admit to having a snigger to myself mark but i felt rather sorry for a constituency chairperson iinterviewed at length today.
he came across as a decent cove that felt let down by the elite etonians at the top who are totally out of touch with the people who got them there in the first place.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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You got it in a nutshell there Howard.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Has anyone noticed that Labour and LibDems are always voting on the same side as DC and Osborne on the above-mentioned issues?
They are all going into self-destruct mode.
Latest opinion polls put UKIP at 20%, while Labour has steadily lost its 40+% rate and is closing in on the low 30s on all opinion polls. There is a recent strong trend of Labour supporters going over to UKIP, or staying away from any political party.
Labour is now only 14 percentage points ahead of UKIP, on average.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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As for the Tories, it's not if, but when UKIP overtake them.
Keith Sansum1
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I'm still trying to get my head around this,
Alexander, as iv said in other threads with your support UKIP would have won one, if not both county seats in Dover Town seats, but you couldn;t b e bothered to vote for them, now here you are saying they are wonderful, that may or may not be the case, but your the one who let them down.
As for the tories, yes Mark it is strange to see the tories ripping themselves apart, and going into self destruction, but the country suffers whilst this goes on.
Of course our Geofrey Howe was the one that finished maggie off, now hes set his sights on the mouse
the clock is ticking,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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This is entirely a self-inflicted wound by Cameron. He has got much too far into bed with the LDs and the metropolitan elite.
It is time for him to start acting like a Conservative.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think what you are saying Barryw is what the right of the conservative party are now openly saying, but on top of this even more moderates are saying the same.
Trouble now is, both those saying get out of the E U
and those saying stay in the E U
are critical of the mouse's leadership.
I'm still very unsure as to why the mouse still entertains a finished lib dem party which is just waiting for its fate at the next general election.
Sadly all this in fighting will result in weakening and already weak leader
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith - those who are pro-EU are a tiny and insignificant number in the Conservative Party. Cameron has not acted as a Conservative leader and that is his problem. This is much deeper than the EU. He has also surrounded himself with too many metros and not enough 'real' people and has lost touch with the party, something that can be terminal in a leader. He needs to re-connect and to drop the 'liberal' issues that are so important to the 'metros' and no-one else.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I think DC needs to re-read Faust in order to understand the circumstances he has created.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Barryw
I dont dispute your view
but probably if he goes to the extreme you require him to he knows it will make him unelectable
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Keith - why are tories voting UKIP?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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David
welcome back
Your question would take so long to answer
barryw and I have come at it from different angles
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Well have a stab at answering it instead of sitting on the fence as usual.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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david
i have never sat on the fence
you obviously choose not to read my posts
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Well answer the question then:
Keith - why are tories voting UKIP?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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post 8 said it all
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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You're all over the place Keith. Elsewhere you say that "lurching to the right" nakes the tories unelectable, yet what is the combined % of the tory and UKIP vote?
Its clear that "lurching to the right" is precisely what most people want, they are sick of namby pamby politics
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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The tories do want to lurch to the right
but it wont make them electable
protest vote is one thing
one policy issues quite another
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that is now david, come election time europe and other issues are sidelined because people are concerned about the economy almost on its own.
we then tend to vote one or both of two ways:-
a) who will do the least damage.
b) how will it affect my standard of living.