Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,709
#21
They have one policy at the moment - complete Brexit
They also have other policies but wont tell us what they are until after Thursday, either they dont want to confuse their potential core voters or their policies are rubbish and they dont want any more reasons for people not to vote for them
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
#22
I went all the way to Olympia and all I got was a bloody t-shirt.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
#23
By only having the 1 policy and even that is suspect
It will deter many
Sad thing is we have a stumbling Prime minister
Conservative govt
Labour party
And few trust the others
No real choice
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#24
there is keith,
1/ spoil ballot paper.
2/ vote lib/dems
3/ don't vote at all.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#25
Keith Sansum1 wrote:By only having the 1 policy and even that is suspect
It will deter many
Sad thing is we have a stumbling Prime minister
Conservative govt
Labour party
And few trust the others
No real choice
I do not trust any politician of any party they are all a bunch of lying hypocrites as proved by the vast majority of those ensconced in Westminster, who are totally unreliable and think only of their careers.
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Guest 1571- Registered: 24 Aug 2015
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#26
The major problem is there are not enough ordinary people getting involved with politics. We get fake "man of the people" types and their cult of personalities being propped up by the media.
Farage is a puppet of the conservatives. His whole purpose is to stop the swing voters from putting labour in when they get disillusioned with the Tories.
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Guest 2547- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#27
ChazwoldAlmighty wrote:
Farage is a puppet of the conservatives. His whole purpose is to stop the swing voters from putting labour in when they get disillusioned with the Tories.
I would very much like a pint of whatever you've been drinking.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,709
#28
Sadly, Farage whilst deadly serious, is utterly delusional.
He may be an "everyman" character but he is one of the metropolitan elite he damns (how very Trump-like).
His latest piece of nonsense is to demand to be involved in Brexit negotiations if his party win a majority of the seats tomorrow. He like so many on the right have not been listening, at this juncture there is nothing to negotiate, as the EU have consistently made clear the deal on the table is as good as it gets and they will not renegotiate and frankly why should they.
So that leaves 3 choices
a) Accept the deal on the table and leave
b) Reject the deal on the table and leave with no deal and all the uncertainty that will entail
c) Revoke Article 50 and think again what is in the best interests of the UK and its people - this may well be Brexit 2 or it might be playing a much more active role in shaping the future of the EU who knows until we have the conversation and really understand what the issues are.
At the end of the day despite the rhetoric Farage is just another facet of what is wrong with politics in the UK and why it is perceived to be broken. He is after all a well educated, well off, white, middle aged, privileged man who thinks he has all the answers and only he can deliver them; just like Johnson, Gove, Rees Mogg, Corbyn, Cable and many more. What they need to do is to actually start listening, not to the white noise that is social media, but up close and personal with ordinary people and they might be surprised to find that they know what the real issues are, they have ideas of how we might address them and with the right help can probably deliver the solution.
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Guest 3065- Registered: 10 Jan 2019
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#29
Does anyone know if nigel farage is going to be at the South East count in Dover and where is it please?
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,709
#30
Why?
Do you want to give him a milkshake?
Seriously, whilst DDC will count votes cast in its area (probably at the Town Hall),each council within the South East constituency counts their own areas votes - after all it is almost 14% of the UK electorate in one constituency far too much for one council to count on its own.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#31
#28, c looks the better option at the moment.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
#32
I think the referendum opened the eyes of many locals
Local people are more aware of politicians over the past 3years
Now locals quite rightly question them at all levels
Thankfully the time of just blindly voting in parties are long gone in many areas
I'm no f an of farrag e but he at least help to get people more involved in a decision
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Guest 1571- Registered: 24 Aug 2015
- Posts: 71
#33
ray hutstone wrote:I would very much like a pint of whatever you've been drinking.
a big old glass of the truth?
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
#34
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
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Guest 2547- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
#35
#33 - I'm sorry. Your post made me laugh so much that I thought it was a deliberate joke. Hence I made a similarly jocular reply.
Strangely, I thought that Farage's mob were gaining votes in droves from the disaffected Tory right for whom nothing but a hard Brexit will suffice. Whilst on the other hand I've been conned into the misapprehension that the Lib Dems, Greens and sundry other remainers were swelling their ranks with disappointed erstwhile Labour bods among the 60+% of the party who want to remain. You know, like the Cashman chap who publicly threw his weight behind the Lib Dems today?
Oh well. I stand corrected. next time I'll know a glass of truth when I see one, at least.
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Guest 1571- Registered: 24 Aug 2015
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#36
to understand it you have to understand the different categories of voters that exist. What their voting habits are like and that gives you a picture of the landscape.
So you have those voters that just vote based on a party...most often it is against the other side of the two-horse race, the contrarian voters.
Then you have active party voters. These people join the party and may be involved with campaigning to some degree and vote that way.
Then you have the protest voters who just simply vote for parties that don't have a chance to spoil their ballot without spoiling it. The typical one being MRLP.
Then you have the disengaged non-voters and protest non-voters...they have different reasons for the same outcome. They are registered to vote but never turn up the polling booths.
The biggest group of voters is the fickle swinging voters. These people are caught up in the two-horse race game. They are not particularly politically engaged and will switch between parties every 8 odd years. They say boo to labour and go over and vote for the tories, then they say boo to tories I am voting Labour.
The two places to gain power in a democracy is either to engage the non-voters, which is difficult enough, or try to control the swing voters to go for your side. Any other group is a waste of time because you are either preaching to your choir or talking to a brick wall.
Farage's presence helps appeal to those two groups. It gets the disillusioned non-voters out to vote for right-wing parties meaning these votes are very easily converted over to the tories. The other thing is at certain times when the tory party isn't looking so hot they can avoid defecting swingers from crossing over to the labour party dramatically enough to overturn the political landscape at an election.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#37
mmmmmm yes the milkshake party has turnd out farsical in Tonbridge.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,300
#38
If, as is now looking likely, we do leave without a deal - it is vital that Farage and Johnson are behind the wheel. They absolutely have to own it - and if they make a success of it, fantastic, but if they don't, at least they can blame nobody but themselves.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#39
It is worth remembering this is all about the EU elections which has little to do with who might be a suitable candidate or their policies in our next General Election.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
#40
Going to be another poor turnout
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