Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Alex says 'our wealth' - no it is their wealth, their property, there is no 'our' about it.
What Alexander suggests is economic suicide, pure theft and belongs in broken Mickey Mouse dictatorships. Totally bonkers, the kind of thing that should be restricted to student common-room debating and then forgotten about in the real world. It is based on a total misunderstanding of how the economy works and what is needed to get real wealth creation and more jobs in this country.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Obviously barryw and Ray vision is that the rich are our saviours??? we have yet to see any evidence of that.
Most postersi'm sure would love to just see the gap between rich and poor not get bigger but get smaller.
On top of this more help for those struggling to find there next meal
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Fact are facts Keith. We need successful businesses to create more wealth and jobs.
Government never does that and is just a parasite living off the taxes paid by the private sector.
It is the drive for more business success and the willingness to take risks that will turn this economy around and you will not do that by damping down individual enterprise and aspiration.
There will always be the poor, it is a fact of life and you will not help them by punishing those who work hard, take risks and create new businesses and likewise those who are running our successful companies or who are individually successful in some other endeavour that generates personal wealth and in so doing investment and consumption.
You are merely repeating the socialistic prejudices that are guilty of causing massive damage to our economy.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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wihout doubt barryw we look at the facts and were promised all these jobs which hasn't happened.
What we do see is the moves to cutback even at this small level at the moment causing heartbreak for man families
whilst as i say the rich get richer
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Yeah and what about the 4 million thrown on the scrap heap by this cobbled together govt.
I thought I'd save you a bit of time Keith
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Well well David your starting to understand lol
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Keith, there are millions in the country who won't or can't understand the situation were in. We are in debt of more than £trillion, the party is over. This useless govt are simply applying sticky plaster to the wounds.
There's every chance your beloved labour will win the next election, I have to say Keith the look on your face when King Canute aka Milliband is at the helm will be hilarious. There will come a time when we try to borrow money to pay the welfare bill and the answer will be "nein", I'm curious to see your reaction.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith - you are ignoring what is happening and just speaking without reference to the truth - the official figures are clear. There are jobs being created, many are taken by immigrants though! Even so unemployment is falling and employment is up. The facts just do not fit what you hope is happening.
The number of 'workless households' has fallen 26,000 over the last year to 265,000.
In addition here is a chart published recently by the Speccy based of official job stats - it says it all despite what you wish would happen.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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If we are to quote figures heres a fe more
TRENDS;
The following all down turns; JOBS
ACCOUNTANCY DOWN 20%
FINANCIAL SERVICES DOWN 23%
HEALTHCARE DOWN 10%
HOSPITALITY DOWN 6%
HUMAN RESOURCES DOWN 14%
I.T. DOWN 19%
MEDIA DOWN 10%
REAL ESTATES DOWN 9%
RETAIL DOWN 22%
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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So your only reply are some selective sector stats. It is the overall picture for jobs that is important, such selective stats could have been made even in during good years.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Figures just like yours are just that figures.
you quote some areas of job increases
where as i have shown in others its looking grim
figures tell you want to hear
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Errr Keith - no - look again.
The chart is for all jobs and is then broken down into the private and public sectors, that is all.
These are official figures and your problem is that they do not match what you want to hear.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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even your graph shows the plummet in public sector jobs you right
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Of course it does and it needs to drop.
The public sector grows only at the cost of the wealth creating private sector. A job in the public sector costs two in the private sector.
The whole balance of employment must shift away from the public and to the private sector if we want a healthy economy.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Afraid Alex you are 10 years behind the time in your assessment of the global economy - the BRIC and emerging economies that became manufacturing centres are now becoming consumer markets - many companies have recognised this and many of the smart ones are already increasing exports there.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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3 of those are experiencing low growth(i don't know about russia) mainly caused by falling exports to europe which shows how we are all dependent on each other in the global economy.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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As in the past when the graphs come out,especially from speccy,things are getting
desperate.....
Always best to look at the figures holistically......we are in a mess....nothing is being
dealt with..............economic growth and double dip recession are the worst for over 100
years....fact..
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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graphs do my head in,please no gobbly gook.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - China is evolving as Ray says from an economy growing on the back of capital investment to a consumer led economy. This has led to an inevitable reduction in the sky high growth rates previously experienced down to about a 'mere' 7%. This is actually healthy for them and us but, yes - the Eurozone problems are having a worldwide impact.
Reg - once again you cannot actually produce anything to challenge the figures that are based on ONS and Labour Force Survey figures. Your capacity for ignoring the truth in favour of what you want to happen beggars belief.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,920
everyone appears to agree the cobbled together govt continues to have us in a mess.
now its revealed the unemployed is actually already 3.5 million!!!!!!!!
so not far off the 4 million prediucted figueres.
this would never have been heard of even from past tory govts
now it appears to be acceptable by some
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