Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Memo to self: “DO NOT, under any circumstances, get involved in any wreath laying ceremonies where it’s unclear what the ceremony is about”
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'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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This quote hits the nail on the head, time Corbyn stopped trying to wriggle out of this situation he was there pure and simple.
"Labour MP Luciana Berger also commented on the incident tweeting: "Being 'present' is the same as being involved. When I attend a memorial, my presence alone, whether I lay a wreath or not, demonstrates my association and support."
Netanyahu is happy to push Palestinians as far as possible, given the chance he would invade any nearby country that is not Israeli controlled. Given what happened to Jews during WW2 I find his actions abhorrent.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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#844 Has JC denied being present? Has he denied being involved? Has he stated anything other than the promotion of peace?
A 2 minute and 3 second video is available here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45170622Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Yep the minions can't stop themselves, just wish they would stop the frothing at the mouth it puts me off my Kippur!
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Back in 2000 I smoked a couple of Gauloises (metaphorically, of course) at Sartre's grave in Montparnasse cemetary. Neaby were buried Paul Deschanel, Max Nordau and Henri Poincaré. I guess that makes me a mad Zionist mathematician. I do apologise.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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Corbyn would be lambasted if he stood at a urinal between an arab and a jew.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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At the end of the day Jezza is his own worst enemy, often leaving himself open to criticism. In 2014 he was a largely unknown back bencher who has always been supportive of the Palestinian cause. He was clearly being used by the organisers there and he really should have seen through it politely declining the invitation. Most politicians avoid getting involved in the Israeli/Palestinian issue as they know they will get flak from one side or the other. If he seriously believes that a peace dialogue could happen there he is seriously deluded as both sides would like to wipe the other off the face of the earth.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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well theres a thought howard ,a conflict between land owners [palastians] and land grabers [israill.there will never be peace there until one stops winding the other up.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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No idea, how's that peace accord going by the way?
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Reginald Barrington wrote:No idea, how's that peace accord going by the way?
Research the outcome and the reason the peace didn't hold then come back to me, Mr Barrington.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Captain Haddock wrote:Memo to self: “DO NOT, under any circumstances, get involved in any wreath laying ceremonies where it’s unclear what the ceremony is about”
Memo to Tory HQ: "Check that we didn't have any of our representatives at the same event as Mr Corbyn before getting out of our collective pram..."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45201306Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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The Bishop wrote:Research the outcome and the reason the peace didn't hold then come back to me, Mr Barrington.
Because neither side stuck to them, though of course if you go with the corbyn view it was obviously Israel's fault not his beloved Palestine.
Though that intifada thing really stuck the boot in!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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We get judged by the company we keep.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I think Labour have got this one about right but I doubt it will be acceptable to the Jewish hierarchy who will not accept any criticism of Israel and its apartheid laws.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/15/labour-prepares-to-amend-antisemitism-code-ihra-israelGuest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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On the wider issue of Israel, I fail to see why ANY country (by which I mean its administration) should be exempt from scrutiny and criticism.
On the more technical issue of JC changing the anti-Semitism code, it is not within his gift to do that, it is the NEC that rule on it. JC, by virtue of office, is on the NEC (ex-officio) along with 30+ committee members. The code can be clearer but, in my view, it should not wash it hands - now or in the future - of Israel's behaviour.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The article is quite clear that Labour (not Jezza) are changing the code Your grace as is the post that followed it. On the issue of divided loyalty I have been to a few Jewish functions in the past and the toast is always to the Queen and the State of Israel, not everyone raised their glass though.
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:The article is quite clear that Labour (not Jezza) are changing the code Your grace as is the post that followed it. On the issue of divided loyalty I have been to a few Jewish functions in the past and the toast is always to the Queen and the State of Israel, not everyone raised their glass though.
My post was meant as a matter of clarity on the Labour Party machine and its processes, it wasn't intended to challenge the article or your post, Mr McSweeney1. As clarity goes, I must try harder, evidently!
There are plenty of Jews that are more than 'embarrassed' by Israel's conduct. I do NOT object to Israel per se - I believe in its right to exist - I do reserve the right to criticise its behaviour.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Jan Higgins wrote:
Netanyahu is happy to push Palestinians as far as possible, given the chance he would invade any nearby country that is not Israeli controlled. Given what happened to Jews during WW2 I find his actions abhorrent.
I endorse your post, JH; furthermore, I support your right to say it, it is NOT anti-Jewish. However, are you aware that, according to the definitions set out in the IHRA 'rules' it would be deemed as anti-Semitic?
https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/sites/default/files/press_release_document_antisemitism.pdf (See the penultimate bullet point.)
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I have never quite understood how McCluskey sees himself as so important in the grand scheme of things, he is paid his large salary and add ons to protect the mainly low paid members who shell out money from their wage packets and not to get involved in issues of no great interest to them.
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-anti-semitism-unite-leader-len-mccluskey-lashes-out-at-blairites-and-hostile-jewish-leaders-11474266