Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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If this definition had been accepted from the start the story would probably have died away by now.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:All settled now to the satisfaction of the many not the few.
We shall see! Adding the free-speech provisions to the consultation on the recommendations from Labour's 'Democracy Review' means that a binding vote has been avoided. This means the issue can be revisited after conference, when the newly elected NEC members take their seats.
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Seems like you could be right Bob but I thought the main argument was about not referring to the State of Israel as being "Nazi" which I can understand but surely comparing them with South Africa in Apartheid times would be accurate bearing in mind recent decisions made there.
https://news.sky.com/story/labours-antisemitism-announcement-not-what-it-seems-11490429Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Seems like you could be right Bob
I am ALWAYS right Howard!
Interestingly due to today's meeting Jezza was forced to cancel a trip to be told a few 'facts of life' by the head of the Security Services (a case of visit Thames House before Thames House visits you?)
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1012166/Jeremy-Corbyn-news-MI5-terrorist-threat-terrorism-briefing
He was meant to be turning up with his bag-man the dreadful Seumas Milne, author of The Enemy Within: The Secret War Against the Miners in which he wrote of the (alleged
) involvement of intelligence services in destroying the miners and subverting public opinion during the strike.
“having lived in this country for a very long time” Jezza will probably understand the irony.
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of Labour List.
Tony Blair has poured cold water on the argument made by Corbynsceptics that unhappy Labour members should ‘stay and fight’ within the party to eventually regain control of it. The former Prime Minister told listeners of Nick Robinson’s Political Thinking podcast that he is not sure “moderates” can “take back” what is now a “different type of Labour Party”. According to BBC deputy political editor Norman Smith’s analysis, "such criticism is certain to infuriate some Corbyn supporters”, and indeed shadow justice secretary Richard Burgon has already tweeted that Blair should “fight the Tories as much as he does the Labour Party”. Which seems a strange thing to say as it’s clear Blair would rather have a Tory in No10 than Jeremy Corbyn.
But Blair’s comments are actually more likely to fuel Corbynsceptic accelerationism, a doctrine that recommends giving up on Labour and watching it burn under Corbyn. And his statements will further demoralise those who urge their friends and colleagues to ‘stay and fight’. In July, Luke Akehurst asked LabourList readers: “where are the moderate equivalents of Chris Williamson, charging around the country, rallying the troops?”. This intervention by Blair is essentially the exact opposite of that kind of proposed fightback strategy.
The same Corbynsceptic-dispiriting effect is likely to be produced from two key local Labour meetings that took place last night. In Joan Ryan’s constituency, members passed a motion of no confidence that accuses their local Labour MP of “going to a hostile press”, “smearing” Corbyn and bringing the party into disrepute. The MP dismissed the result as “hardly decisive” and, in a Kate Hoey-style ‘come and have a go if you think you’re hard enough’ attack, called local members “Trots Stalinists Communists” in whom she had “no confidence”. Meanwhile, her critics started a hashtag - #weareEnfieldNorth - where they celebrated their victory. Luke Akehurst took something positive from the narrow margin (95-92) by which the motion passed, pointing out that another four ‘stay and fight’ members could have reversed the result. But that wasn’t the only Corbynsceptic loss of the night. Gavin Shuker, who once described “Corbyn hat people” as “loons” and recently said it was “increasingly difficult” for him to remain in the party, also lost a vote of no confidence. And it was a more decisive loss, with astonishingly bad numbers for the MP: 33 votes in favour, five abstentions and three against the motion.
There is no sign either MP will quit the party as Frank Field and John Woodcock have done. But mandatory reselection, or at least a relaxed trigger ballot system, is likely to be voted on by delegates at party conference later this month. That is when these conflicts will reach a critical point - and if conference approves open selections, don't be surprised when the 'stay and fight'-ers lose a number of parliamentarians to the 'leave and give up' camp.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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A lot of bandwagon jumping going on in the party and I think it is much more to do with which group controls policy rather than concern about racism or anti Semitism.
https://news.sky.com/story/chuka-umunna-labour-is-institutionally-racist-11493849howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Times - Can't blame Jezza for this one.
Germany’s top antisemitism investigator has warned of a “new calibre” of violence against Jews after the owner of a kosher restaurant was allegedly injured by stone-throwing Nazi thugs during a week of far-right marches in the city of Chemnitz. Uwe Dziuballa said that about a dozen hooded and black-clad men wielding bottles and steel pipes had also smashed up the frontage of his restaurant while shouting “Get out of Germany, you Jew-pig.” The word they used, Judensau, was once a staple of Nazi propaganda.
Chemnitz, a city of 240,000 in the former East German state of Saxony, has become a stomping ground for the hard right over the past fortnight after the murder of Daniel Hillig, a 35-year-old carpenter. Three migrants — an Iraqi and two Syrians — are suspected of the stabbing. The turmoil that followed has blown up into a national scandal after far-right protesters openly exchanged the Hitler salute and witnesses claimed that gangs had hunted down people who appeared foreign in the streets. Felix Klein, the German antisemitism commissioner, said that the apparent attack on Mr Dziuballa on August 27, the second day of the demonstrations, had awakened “the darkest memories of the 1930s”. He told Welt am Sontag: “If the reports are correct we are dealing with a new calibre of antisemitic crime in the case of this assault on a Jewish restaurant in Chemnitz.” Mr Dziuballa said a rock thrown by one of the assailants had hit his shoulder. He had suffered hate crimes in the past, including having a pig’s head dumped on his doorstep and swastikas sprayed on his restaurant, Schalom, but he said that this was the worst case yet. “Since I opened the restaurant in 2000 this is the first time I have gone through anything like this,” he said.
Bodo Ramelow, chief minister of the neighbouring state of Thuringia, said he was deeply troubled by the episode. He told Die Welt yesterday: “When an antisemitic mob threatens and attacks a Jewish business, that makes me furious. It recalls the darkest chapter of German history.” Jewish groups questioned delays in the police publicising the alleged violence. “It is outrageous that a hooded mob attacks the only Jewish restaurant in Chemnitz and yells antisemitic slogans, but the public only finds out about this case several days later,” Levi Salomon, of the Jewish Forum for Democracy and Against Antisemitism, said.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The article doesn't say what she said at this meeting that hurt Jezza. All rather ironic that the Canterbury party have no apparent grasp of recent history or they would know that the party leader spent about 30 years attacking his leaders when he was a back bencher.
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“We also urge her to consult with and seek guidance from the democratically elected officers of the Canterbury Constituency Labour Party on issues of this level of contention.”
Yep, she obviously needs re-educating in order to follow the party line. perhaps even needs to attend the odd course or two?
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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A shot across the bows Howard. Like it or not Rosie will now have this at the back of her mind whenever she speaks on anything. The problem is no longer what people say but what they feel they can no longer say for fear of what others might think or do. We are already self censoring as we slouch towards a 'thought crime' state.
Fortunately Yorkshire Police having cleared up al the homicides, assaults, thefts etc in the area have enough spare officers to be 'on the case'.
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'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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Seems that a good way to eliminate hate would be to promote free love. Haight-Ashbury 1968 anyone?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Telegraph
Allies of Jeremy Corbyn have drawn up “emergency leadership plans” amid fears that the Labour leader could be suspended over a series of alleged undeclared trips he took overseas, The Telegraph understands. Senior party sources have claimed that the proposals have been devised in the event that Mr Corbyn is found to have breached Parliamentary rules following an investigation by the standards watchdog. The plans, which are due to be put before the party’s governing body on Saturday, include a clause that would hand Labour’s national executive committee unprecedented powers to constrain the authority of Tom Watson, who would automatically become "caretaker" leader in Mr Corbyn’s absence.
It follows reports that Mr Corbyn is being investigated by Parliament’s Commissioner for Standards over a series of nine undeclared trips he made as a backbench MP, including his now notorious visit to Tunisia in October 2014. One insider claimed that the recent suspension of the DUP’s Ian Paisley had left Mr Corbyn’s office “s--- scared” that he could face a similar sanction.
In July, MPs voted to suspend Mr Paisley from Parliament for 30 days after this newspaper revealed that he had taken two undeclared holidays in Sri Lanka, paid for by the country’s government.
Under parliamentary rules, MPs are required to declare overseas visits paid for by third parties in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests if they surpass a financial threshold. However, an investigation by The Telegraph has now uncovered evidence that suggests that Mr Corbyn should have declared at least three of the undeclared trips. They include a visit funded by Middle East Monitor (Memo) and the Friends of al-Aqsa to the West Bank and Israel in November 2010, believed to have cost more than £900, above the threshold for declaration. Another trip taken by Mr Corbyn to Lebanon in February 2011 was paid for by the Palestine Return Centre (PRC) and the Council for European Palestinian Relations, two organisations which have been linked to Hamas.
While the Labour leader has emerged relatively unscathed from the bruising summer recess, the furore caused by several of his overseas visits to the Middle East have given rise to more searching questions about precisely who funded them and why they were not declared. Amid reports that the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards, Kathryn Stone, is now combing through details of his previously undeclared trips, Mr Corbyn’s inner circle are said to be deeply concerned. It is this investigation, senior Labour insiders allege - and the prospect of the suspension which might result - which lies behind the “emergency plan” being drawn up in the event that Mr Corbyn is forced to take a temporary leave of absence.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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With 86% of members wanting a second vote there can only be one outcome.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45616308Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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common sence that is. lets bring it on, sooner the better before some one drops us in the bear pit.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Jezza is being very shrewd here as although he has always been anti EU he sees an opportunity for a power grab over the issue. He is effectively given the membership a final say which keeps them happy and could force a General Election. His strategy team has estimated that although they could lose a few seats in the North the overall gain would be around 50, just enough to form a Government.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Well the corbyn interview about the Canterbury MP and his support for her was ok
but the interruption by some party activist shows where the party is leading
even its own leader doesnt have a free hand
surely as leader he has to tough out these questions
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Been watching an excellent new release on Netflix this evening all about Adolf Eichmann who was the architect of the final solution. As we know Mossad agents spirited him away from his bolthole in Argentina to Jerusalem to stand trial for his war crimes. I never realised that Jezza was his only character witness at the trial.