Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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“However, I also know that if he were elected, Momentum et al would be left at the gates of Number 10 and the civil service would take over, thus negating the concerns of those worrying that JC is too extreme for the ultimate job.”
The civil service don’t make policy decisions, they just carry out the wishes of the politicians.
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Pablo wrote:“The civil service don’t make policy decisions, they just carry out the wishes of the politicians.
Oh crikey, we are doomed then - I thought the role of the Civil Service was to explain to politicians which of their wishes are unworthy of 8 year olds, let alone grown-ups. And similarly at more local level.
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The Civil Service rule from behind the throne, if they agree with a policy they will make it work. If they disagree and are unable to talk the government round to their way I strongly believe they will somehow manage to F it up, such as timing or document wording.
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Jan Higgins wrote:The Civil Service rule from behind the throne, if they agree with a policy they will make it work. If they disagree and are unable to talk the government round to their way I strongly believe they will somehow manage to F it up, such as timing or document wording.
Exactly! Unfortunately, those at the top have more influence than people realise, wasn’t the “Yes, Minister” series based on fact??
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He's getting better at this, isn't he: "To be fair - and I want to be fair to the former Brexit secretary and the former foreign secretary - I think they would have resigned on the spot on Friday, but they were faced with a very long walk, no phone and, due to government cuts, no bus service either. So I think they were probably wise to hang on for a couple of days so they could get a lift home in a government car."
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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There is a bit of previous between Jezza and Margaret Hodge so I don't think the party will take her vilification too seriously.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-antisemtism-margaret-hodge-labour-mp-rules-a8452886.htmlhoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Sunday Times.
Jeremy Corbyn has defended Labour’s stance on antisemitism after one of his frontbenchers said the party was in a “very, very dark place” with the Jewish community. Mr Corbyn urged his MPs to postpone an emergency meeting in which they will attempt to override a decision by the party’s national executive committee (NEC) to remove elements of the international definition of antisemitism from Labour’s code of conduct.
Mr Corbyn told an audience at the Tolpuddle Martyrs Festival in Dorset that the meeting would be better attended in September because parliament is due to rise on Tuesday. He was speaking after The Sunday Times revealed that his team was facing two legal challenges from Jewish campaigners over the row. Defending the omission of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s examples of antisemitism, Mr Corbyn said: “[The NEC] wasn’t trying to rewrite it; it has accepted almost all of it. “What it’s done is also put alongside it a code of conduct for members of the party because we will not tolerate antisemitism in any form whatsoever in the party.”
The parliamentary Labour Party is due to vote on its emergency motion tomorrow, the same day that the executive of the Jewish Labour Movement will meet to discuss legal action against the party using the European Convention on Human Rights. Rebecca Long-Bailey, shadow business secretary, told the Andrew Marr Show on BBC One: “We’re starting from a very, very dark place due to the actions of a minority in our party and the failure of us to deal with it quickly.”
The dispute came to a head when Margaret Hodge, the veteran Jewish MP, confronted Mr Corbyn and called him a “racist and antisemite”. Mr Corbyn said today that he was upset by her remarks.
“I felt not pleased about it, I felt upset about it but as always I am very calm and treat people with a great deal of respect,” he said. “I don’t shout at people, I just listen to what they have to say. A complaint has been registered and that will have to be dealt with by the party, but that is independent of me.” Dame Margaret was defended by Mr Corbyn’s closest ally, the shadow chancellor John McDonnell. “She’s got a good heart. Sometimes you can express anger – I’m one of those people who have in the past,” Mr McDonnell told Sky’s Sophy Ridge on Sunday. “You have to accept that, you have to accept sometimes it can be quite heated ... Let’s understand that and let’s just move on.”
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Courtesy of the Times.
Jeremy Corbyn has sought to distance himself from Donald Trump after suggestions that his new “Build it in Britain” campaign echoes the protectionist policies of the US president. The Labour leader declared yesterday that Britain had too heavily relied on “cheap labour from abroad”, as he set out his party’s plans to channel more investment into domestic manufacturing and to use state aid powers “to the full”. The speech brought comparisons with Mr Trump’s “America First” approach and Mr Corbyn was branded a “Trump acolyte” and “economic nationalist”. He insisted that his policy echoed the US president “not at all. Absolutely not at all.”
Speaking today as he visited Bombardier, which is bidding for HS2, Mr Corbyn was asked about potential similiarities and said: “What we are saying is invest in our manufacturing base so that we can trade with other people. Germany does that, France does that, Italy does that, Spain does that, we don’t. It’s not protectionism, it’s the opposite because that gives us a chance to trade in the future.” Highlighting how Labour’s interventionist approach to the economy would help ailing industries, he added: “We allowed Redcar to close down when it could have been saved, eventually Port Talbot was saved in the steel industry. Too often, really good ideas that are developed here don’t get brought through to production because nobody is prepared to invest in them.”
Mr Corbyn revealed his UK-centric policy in Birmingham yesterday. It was seen in Labour circles as a pitch to blue-collar Leave voters in the Midlands and North. Party insiders have worried that Mr Corbyn’s appeal is limited beyond metropolitan, liberal, middle-class Remainers. To try to promote a positive view of Brexit, he said the falling pound would benefit British manufacturing and bolster domestic industries. Heaping criticism on Theresa May for allowing billions of pounds’ worth of work on passports, military ships and health supplies to go overseas, he signalled that a Labour government would avoid “offshoring” jobs.
He also vowed to end the “racket” of public sector outsourcing and to “reprogramme the economy” to shift focus away from the City and the financial sector back towards manufacturing. Paul Mason, the left-wing commentator, backed the Labour leader and denied that his plan promoted economic nationalism. He argued that a “deglobalising” process was under way and said every country must devise industrial strategies to contend with the “fragmentation” of the world economy. “Corbyn’s strategy, of using state purchasing preference and industrial policy to try and revive a national manufacturing sector and bring jobs onshore, is sensible,” he wrote in the New Statesman.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/26/labour-frontbencher-urges-party-to-adopt-full-antisemitism-code
Might I make a suggestion here? The full code denies making comparisons with Israel and Nazism but doesn't stop us comparing their recent laws with the Afrikaaners and Apartheid.
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that's odd, aren't they the same difference.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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campaigne by snowflakes to discredit a major party.i blame the torys.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Brian, there is only one person to blame and that is Corbyn who seems to let anyone (especially his supporters) say and do just as they like, he is certainly not a strong party leader.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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yes jan, but would like to see mr. h. benn in charge. I find him a straight talking guy.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon wrote:yes jan, but would like to see mr. h. benn in charge. I find him a straight talking guy.
I expect his time will come in the near future, he certainly seems to be the best of the bunch at the moment.
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The reds will not see power again in my life time,and I do not vote
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Problem I have with Jezza is that he is not providing comprehensive opposition to the Tories. Yes, he has created a certain cult that occupies the space of opposition - but that's not the same thing. Honestly, though, that might be enough to win an election in the current state of affairs!
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Vic Matcham wrote:The reds will not see power again in my life time,and I do not vote
Comment ignored as your voice is not 'heard' at the ballot box.
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Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.