howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I always think of FGM as being practiced in backward societies in the third world rather than any religious groups. Unfortunately when some move to Europe they carry on the disgusting practice.
The question then is why there have been no prosecutions in the UK(as far as I know) when Doctors, Teachers, social services and others are told to report any suspected cases?
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Captain Haddock wrote: "The Bishop"
Furthermore, what motivated you to join the Conservative Friends of Israel?
Free bagels.
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Oh Captain, my Captain, even if I accepted your glib response and naff slurs thrown my way, dear boy, you STILL have not answered in anyway (and I'd prefer 'honestly') my question:
And finally, have you enjoyed a subsidised trip to Israel through this affiliation? from post #10.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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V difficult to 'prove' Howard, especially when has been undergone on 'holiday' abroad. Also on left lot's of self loathing 'cultural sensitivity' because who are we to say that our values are so much better than tribes of illiterate peasants? Too much romanticism and identification with the 'noble savage' if you ask me.
Same as difficulties between arranged marriages, marriages of convenience and forced marriages. It was pitiful at Tn3 in the 70s, seeing totally westernised teenage girls with Brum accents, married off to toothless ancient close relatives from especially Sylhet area.
Apparently we were a diverse and multi-cultural society and even if not quite celebrated such things should certainly be allowed and it would be sexist to allow males to bring brides to UK and not vice versa.
Interestingly this changed the whole dowry system. Whereas previously the bride's family paid big time to get rid of daughters who were viewed as 'low value' suddenly it was whoever was about to enter the UK. (and don't forget the disappearing wedding guests!)
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:I always think of FGM as being practiced in backward societies in the third world rather than any religious groups. Unfortunately when some move to Europe they carry on the disgusting practice.
The question then is why there have been no prosecutions in the UK(as far as I know) when Doctors, Teachers, social services and others are told to report any suspected cases?
I absolutely agree with your first paragraph. In the second paragraph you are right in stating that teachers are expected to report this, however, this is virtually impossible, how do teachers spot this? Doctors and Social Services have the authority to sanction inspections if suspicions arise. Teachers cannot and absolutely should not for obvious reasons. There are safeguarding procedures though and these largely come down to witnessing a child's discomfort in sitting and also noting the age (typically around 10) and going to their ancestral country for a term-time 'holiday'. Outside of that, this is very dicey. Look at UKIPs manifesto pledge on FGM for handling this situation like a bull in a china shop.
As regards the prosecutions of FGM in the UK, legislation has been around for 30 years for this specific issue and you are right to state that, despite a few charges, no-one has been prosecuted for it.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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OK Bish let's get this straight.
I have never claimed a penny of council expenses.
I have never accepted free or subsidised trips anywhere from anyone.
I have even gone so far as to insist on buying my own tea/coffee when meeting developers.
I am beholden to no-one.
Never have been.
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#25 Thank you. (I won't press you on the 'free' bagels.
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Yet somehow I know that that 'admission' of bribery is going to be the most difficult to defend!
BTW I am also a member of the Friends of Kent Churches and also Friends of Canterbury Cathedral, though I believe other counties and cathedrals are available.
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Captain Haddock wrote:Yet somehow I know that that 'admission' of bribery is going to be the most difficult to defend!
BTW I am also a member of the Friends of Kent Churches and also Friends of Canterbury Cathedral, though I believe other counties and cathedrals are available.
I was going to let this go but I'll instead just give you a fair warning, I enjoyed your original comment, however, editing (some 19 minutes later) with a suggestion that other counties and cathedrals exist is somewhat beyond the Pale. You've been suitably warned - more of this conduct and I'll download your Deal councillor
Declaration of Interest and examine it for bagel disclosures.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Of course, it's patent nonsense to suggest that the Tories are Islamophobic; in fact all the evidence points in the opposite direction. I mean, arms sales to the Saudi Wahhabis have never been healthier, support for the jihadist Syrian opposition's backed up with air strikes, and May's also mates with Erdogan, busy desecularising Turkey. Obviously a dream of those pc masterminds on the left who, as we know, control everything, the banks, government, the civil service, the military, the intelligence services, the police, the media, social media, the border force, local governnment, shops and pubs. Where can poor old righty get a shoe in nowadays, eh?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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It all seems to be about self interest, Lord Sheikh rattle and roll being castigated by three Jewish MPs.
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In a parallel universe the UK, EU, US and NATO have lined up behind Turkey, with the honourable Hunt making a few threatening statements about the consequences. There have been tit-for-tat expulsions of 'diplomats', closely followed by a state and commercial press campaign setting up the Saudis as the new enemy, and then a few alliance airstrikes on Yemen to put the fear of Allah in 'em. To top it off 'investigative' website Bellingcat have published 'revelations' about the true identity of the mystery Saudis in the arrivals and departures lounge at Istanbul airport. But in this universe, we'll just carry on selling them arms and importing their jihadists.
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John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Just browsing through this thread again and wonder if anything ever came of the above re an inquiry etc., into the alleged “islamophobia”? Anyone know?
But noticed, with some amusement, the following reported quote from Muslim party members..........” A number of Muslim Conservative party members told the Guardian that they felt the issue had been marginalised, with one saying his reaction to the MCB letter was: “How refreshing - this is something that all Muslim Conservatives are feeling.”
Would they be the same concerned Muslim members I wonder that regularly take to the streets to protest about their fellow followers of the same ideology that engage in the slaughter of innocents around the world on a daily basis?
Probably not, but of course they’ve got the “get out of jail free card” haven’t they, in as much as “it’s nothing to do with me guv! “. Respect earns respect and personally I’m not convinced that they’ve actually earned anything........only my view of course and acknowledge that I’m in a minority, certainly on here anyway.
Incidentally, Just another thought, assuming that this is still a Christian country ( just about ), is there such a thing as Christianophobia in any of the Islamic countries?
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I'd imagine the Crusades didn't do Christianity any favours out there. But, to be fair, the crusaders did warm up with a bit of savagery against European Jewry first. So they were, er, catholic in their opposition.
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John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Crikey, when was that, almost a thousand years ago?.........you’ve got to give it to these guys, they certainly know how to hold a grudge!
Recently watched an interesting video of Lord Pearson ( who still speaks fondly of Howard by the way
) and for some it might be worth a viewing. For those that see it’s associated somewhat with UKIP and can’t possibly bring themselves to watch such material then I suggest having a quick deco at roughly 7.50 mins. in to see how our future will eventually be sealed.
A sobering thought for some and rubbish for others of course, depending on your sensitivities.
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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#35, JB, there are frequent attacks on Christian places of worship in Pakistan. I have many distant relatives who are Pakistani and there are many other old Raj families who never left after Indian independence. Most of them married local women and you will find many Christians with English surnames all over the sub-continent, especially in the northern hill stations and in Kerala.
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Very true pablo, but you don’t hear much of an outcry in this country about that happening as well as in other parts of the world and virtually on a daily basis do you? But the perpetrators of such evil acts feel quite justified in what they are doing as in their view they’re simply following the doctrines of their “religion”.
We all know that there are numerous decent and peaceful Muslims around the world, the majority in fact, just as there were Germans in the Second World War, but it didn’t stop those in charge killing umpteen millions did it?
The decent Muslims no doubt face a dilemma, if you’re in and a follower of the Islamic cult ( that’s more or less what it is ) then you’re expected to abide and adhere to whatever the imam instructs and preaches.........on the other hand, if you don’t really like too much of what you see and decide to leave the “cult” then life will become very difficult for you, that’s if you’re actually allowed to live of course.
Does anyone really believe that, in time, when Muslims hold the whip hand both in numbers and political sway the indigenous population will not be in for a hard time and Sharia law will replace our own jurisdiction and liberties that we’ve “enjoyed” for centuries?
Think it can’t happen?.......then think again, personally I’m just glad that I won’t be around to witness the end of our culture and the misery that our offspring are likely to endure.
Having said all that, I’ll be more than happy to be told that I’ve got warped views and that in the future we’re all going to get along hunky dory with each other and that utopia is the only thing on the horizon! I wish!
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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But they aren’t following the doctrines of their religion. Islam requires its followers to respect Christians and Jews as worshippers of the same God. Abraham, Moses and Jesus are all revered as prophets in Islam.
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