Those are really valid points Barry , in fact I hadnt really taken them into account before , How many of us would turn down treatment or products just because the manufacturers make money from them ?
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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In an attempt to stop you all fiddling at the edges.Do you want to Privatize the NHS?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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And, no profits means no taxes.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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my reading of the situation is more about the treatment to patients at said hospital.
savings don't come without a cost.
the company involved seem more interested in cutting the debts.
Why do you harp on about one extreme and another Reg? The fact is Circle will reduce and eradicate a debt that the NHS publicly funded well paid public servants not only failed to address but caused to worsen. They will have a well planned acton and implementation plan that will adapt to developing circumstances. They need to be paid to do that.
Howard, you talk as if patients were currently getting a good deal. They are not. Cost cutting is not the same as cutting corners, and value for money means just that - getting the best deal for your - YOUR - money. The best deal will also factor in quality, not just cost.
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# 682 ?
681?
Is it really that simple? There are many organisations who provide services, even within public sector organisations and services. It is far more complex than either or.
Nice response Sarah!!
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#682, YES, if it means we end up with a health service as good as the French.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#682, absolutely YES. The only thing that matters is that everyone in the UK has access, free at the point of delivery, to the highest quality healthcare when needed - nothing else matters, who delivers it does not matter at all or whether they make a profit.
Just to re-point out that BarryWs and Sarahs points indicate how very private the NHS already is. Where do those drugs and treatments come from? That equipment? Do you think it has been created and donated by some (wealthy, possibly elite greedy but) kind hearted person? There are degrees and nuances to it all. The point, as BarryW says, is that the state ensures it is delivered free at the point of need, pre-paid by the tax and NI paying public.
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Thank you Chaps for your direct response.Ladies always have the privilege of time as they muliti-task and us chaps just deal
with one thing at a time.Companies have to make a profit and I have lived on profit all my life and still am but profit from
ill-health is a big no no.Don`t want to writing about elite greedy pigs in NHS Private companies.
Maybe some "ladies" are waiting for a response to the direct question in 681
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I suspect that it is not so much profit that bothers many people but the moral and ethical behaviour of some of those companies as evidenced in:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071375/
How many of us who use medicines are aware of the route from development to prescription?
The pursuit of excessive profit at any cost is what I am uncomfortable with and recent behaviour of many multinational conglomerates does little to ease those concerns.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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circle are a loss making company and city analysts predict that it will lose 30 million quid this year, does little to suggest that they can turn around the fortunes of this hospital.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The development of new drugs and treatments is hugely expensive and has a massive failure rate so all successful treatments need to include sufficient 'profit' to cover not only the development of that drug but to also cover the failures. If you do not have a system that accommodates that then the development of new treatments will suffer.
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New shambles over NHS risk register.The Cabinet will decide today if it wants to veto a ruling that the government should
publish a full assessment of the risk register.
FFS
Is that enough Fs for you reg?