Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Ross methinks thou dost protest too much.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Brian Dixon
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thats what a debate does peter,along with passion.
There is no doubt that the proposals are flawed. There are reservations on all sides, Howard. However, doing nothing is not an option as then darn thing is broken, and some. There is no perfect way forwards, no magic bullet - the system has been creaking and lurching towards its doom for the past 25 years at least, which is almost as long as I have worked alongside it. It is currently so patchy - some areas of real excellence but many more areas of downright institutionalised abuse and neglect - that there is no option but to change it. If you or anyone else on this forum can suggest better ways I am listening.
Blimey I wouldn't call myself a guru , more like a resident Gnu ! I just have a real intrest in unpicking the labyrinth of the system. But you are right Howard for me it is wait and see. Not because the plans are intrinsically bad but because vested intrests in the systen have a way of twisting processes to. Meet their own ends. Also the very complexity of the service means unexpected consequences often occur.
The system must either change or implode and if its left to do the latter it takes us all with it
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I have made suggestions but I know I am in a minority. The sad thing is that the NHS will always be ailing because no government will have the guts to do what is really necessary with the great god NHS to give us the world class healthcare we need. That is basically to do away with it...
Yes I am lukewarm about the proposals simply because they do not go far enough, but they do need to go through as the alternative is certain, more decline.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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well interesting the proposals on reform are more luke warm
but without doubt there are concerns on the future if the reforms go ahead
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Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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I have yet to meet anyone who doesn't think the NHS would benefit from reform but it is what motivates the reform that is the issue.
Not all in the garden is rosy according to this poll:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gps-confidence-in-nhs-reforms-halves-7620961.htmlA bit like the actor asking "what is my motivation".......does it make any tangible difference to the performance? Whoever instigates reforms will be under suspicion. But it has to be done. Best done without party politics swaying it, but nevertheless, it has to be done.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Courtesy the``Times``
The Office of Fair Trading have sent the £ 5.5 billion Healthcare market to the Competiton Commission for `over-
charging`patients............what chance does the mammoth NHS have?
It is time for the Competition Committee to shine its light on the `murky` world of Private Health Care industry......
because it is soon to get much,much more thanks to Cameron`s rammed through Health Reform Bill................
.........more power to the elbow of the OFT and Competition Committee......................
.........it`s our money and our health that is at stake............
Exactly.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Courtesy Independent.
GP`s confidence in the NHS reforms halves....and more say Care would not improve.......
Ministers are bracing themselves for a continual battle against the Reforms....
83 % of GP`s fear financial pressure lead to more rationing of Care........
British Medical Association Chairman says..``If those who will have to `deliver` the latest reforms are `unconvinced` and
`reluctant`the Government should take notice of what they are saying.
It is clear Cameron`s rhetoric has not convinced nobody and by ramming his Bill through the commons confirms the
responsibility is directly his...........
Care is already rationed, we need to understand that what we have currently is rationing by stealth and personal prejudice on the part of professionals. What some fear is giving up some of that power.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
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553-Bern- is nearest to the truth.
Watty
Anyone who has been on the wrong end of a continuing care assesment cannot argue with 553 .
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Turkeys are bracing themselves for Christmas......,
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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well not to mant posters support the reforms
even some who support them are just hopeful they will work
not realy the best way to make such big changes
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I am not sure I understand the concept of "supporting the reforms". There are reforms to be made, I don't think anyone with a brain in their head would challenge that. Reforms made by any government will be unpopular and will be challenged by the opposition. But without reforms the NHS you all profess to love will die anyway. Given the diversity within the organisation and the scrutiny it will be under, surely it is possible to imagine that it will morph along the way? To simply oppose reforms is to sign the death warrant of the organisation with a flourish.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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The reform of the NHS is indeed needed, but with so much opposition to the govts reforms, not just by forum members but also health professionals we need to step back and look again.
im sure cleggy will want more watering down of the proposals
railroading it through is probably not the best way forward
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Some people are so busy "seeing" the hidden agenda of government reforms that they are missing the hidden agendas of the health professionals and opposition.
