howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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thanks for that thought out appraisal barry, incidentally just heard that more concessions demanded by nick clegg are being met.
you have to hand it to the yellows, the tail definitely wags the dog.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - the amount of thought that went into that response is about the same level of intelligent thought going into the opposition to health service changes. You are always so very keen to lap up and believe all the ill-considered garbage spouted by the left.
A couple of observations - for me it isn't about left or right, it is about getting the best services for our money - yours and my taxes. That means properly thought out contracts, proper management of them, and less faffing about when things are not right.
Howard - how safe are vulnerable children now? And if you read the risk register with a skilled eye you might notice that it does not indicate that more children will be more abused, it simply identifies the risk - and it is currently a risk as well and will be on the current risk register. That headline is typical of the alarmist reporting that is dropping out of this, rather than proper intelligent debate.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You are quite right Bern in both comments.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry
i won't stoop to your level but if you had spotted anything on here you would have noticed that i get my information from many sources including the mail and telegraph.
talking down to people who disagree with you does not reflect well on you.
Soooo....cutting through the vitriol. Thoughts about the other comments..?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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They're all a load of rubbish, Bern.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - what I see is a fair bit of what I said, lapping up of left wing propaganda. That is certainly my perception from what you post.
I love this forum!!
You always get a balanced arguement that's true. One from each side of the spectrum
Brian Dixon
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its getting biased on this thread,for/against,left/right ans center.best to leave it there then.
Ross Miller
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As someone who is generally considered to be left leaning,my view is that much of the opposition to the proposals is ill though out tosh coming from vested interests who do not want the status quo overturned.
Now buried in all the ill thought out, ill considered opprobrium there is the odd nugget of sane thought.
Most everyone agrees
a) we cannot carry on as we are
b) there is a desperate need to ensure that the maximum amount of funding possible goes on effective and efficient patient care
c) current provision is inefficient, costly and often misses those who most need it
So what do we do about it?
Bury out heads up our nether regions and hope the NHS fairy makes it all better? Or give reform a chance?
When the naysayers come up with some genuinely constructive alternative proposals that allow the NHS to deliver higher quality service than now, to all those who need it, when they need it and most importantly within the budget available then perhaps those supporting the current reform proposals will sit up and listen,
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Indeed. It really isn't about left and right, it's about improving things, driving up quality services in a way that gets us more bang for our buck. (Our taxes).
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Tribunal is told the `Risk Register` would significantly `aid` Public understanding of the risks related to proposed
Health Reform Bill....................
How could that be, when people wilfully misunderstand what is said? There are times when a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Or you could add your interpretation to the facts Reg.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Any member of the public able to understand the risk register would be able to make his own assessment of the risks to the NHS without the need to be spoon fed by journalists and politicians with an axe to grind.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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reg is right, they can put our minds at rest by publising the risk register.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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But you and I will not read it Howard. It runs to thousands of pages. The media will cherry-pick bits and pieces out of context, providing grist for another of Reg's lefty threads, an undesirable consequence probably overlooked by the risk assessors.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
I agree with Peter. Howard, risk registers outline all the risks and allocate a sliding scale of effect and possibility. They can be subtle but they are honest - there are some risks that look terrible because they are labelled "catastrophic" or similar, but are probably never going to happen, but having them on the radar on the register means people can put things in place to reduce the risk even further. Someone simply flipping through it is bound to fear the worst and think it is all a disaster waiting to happen, when in fact the existence of a risk register allows us to plan and make it safer!!
And Peter - that last bit was naughty but probably true!!