Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Ross, it's hard to say where the line is between tax evasion and avoidance.
Clearly, as Reg points out, DC has been advised to order an investigation into tax avoidance, so somewhere it seems something fishy was possibly going on.
Keith Sansum1
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Well clearly by the amount of posts there is a lot of concern on this issue, and until something is done to create a fairer system it will run and run.
I think all posters(or most)are aiming for the same thing but maybe in different ways
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The only fair tax is a low tax.
Ross - no-one is insulting a bricklayer unless you would go to one for brain surgery that is. Different skills is all.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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George Osborne is apparently pretty het up about rampant tax avoidance among the multi-millionaire set.(The Telegraph"
He has now set up a special team to combat, illegal avoidance.
How many people do you think sits on this group?
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#1563
"The only fair tax is a low tax."
And while the least well off pay a higher proportion of their income in tax than those better off, your dream is reality Barry.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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interesting tom,,, reality? lol
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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'Illegal avoidance' no such thing - if it is illegal; then it is evasion and that is wrong.
Osborne is being too political and needs to put the economy before making overly simple populist statements. The lowest common denominator approach is not good policy.
Tom - If you look at what both Ross and I have been saying about low, simple flat taxes then you will know that the worse off will not pay income tax and an overall lower level of tax.
Once again you persist in the idea that high tax rates and complex taxes mean paying more tax - the reality is different. Even Brown knew that and that was why he did not introduce the top 50p rate until he was about to be voted out as a political trap and not for any economic reasons.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Unfortunately Barry, more 'policy' is made in the newsroom of the Currant Bun than in number ten nowadays.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Tax avoidance is not illegal............yet......but public pressure is now making Flashman and
Ossie to wake up to the elite greedy pigs Tax loopholes which deny our nation it`s contribution
to the Treasury need to be closed.
It is now accepted by responsible,responsive,rational people that Tax avoidance is in need of
legislation because Tax Avoidance not only needs regulations to be changed but it also needs
a total`Culture` change.
Culture is prerequisite for a civilised society......
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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There is nothing patriotic in tax avoidance.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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some interesting thoughts.
maybe if number 10 could move away from its currant bun thinking we might get somewhere
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Number 10, cannot do much wrong, even if it cannot do much right. The arguments/comments of Barry and others on how 'disastrous' GB was were made before the last election and they did little then.
As bad, this way and that, that any incumbent can be the worse that (up to the present) can happen is they move across the floor of the HoCs. In boxing or wrestling does it ever matter if the winner's seconds are in the Red or Blue corner?
'Public' rather than 'patriot' is the key to overcoming our present and future national ills. The breakthrough will come ONLY when we each accept that we EACH have a vital part to play.
(AGAIN!)
All that can claim the voting franchise must register to do so and be determined to use their vote. It is the public that generates it's own storm of apathy, that leaves the determination of our collective futures in the self-appointed hands of the few blow-hards. And even these few cannot be bothered to, or are simply incapable of, setting forth the least notion of 'National Direction.'
Unless and until we-the-people take Politics personally will we make Democracy achievable.
N.B.
If you do not think that PCC is a good idea you must get out on the day and say so. A simple "No, thank you" on your ballot paper shall begin to claim the population's rightful place in the driving seat to set our nation's future path.
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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The answer to my question in #1564 is 6.
Osbourne is so rampant about stopping illegal avoidance, he has thrown together 6 people, to take on the mighty army of legal teams, employed by the big companies that are not paying any or very little Tax.
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Jan Higgins
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Not sure I how many tax districts (terminology?) there are but I would guess at 6, so one person per district in overall charge of catching the illegal avoiders.
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Jan.
That is 6 people in 1 team, for the whole of uk.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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You are right Tom, and in fact usually I use the term Public, but "patriotic" used once in a blue moon might sting the "different class" supporters, those entrenched in the belief there is an "upper class" and a "lower class".
The very nature of their class philosophy is immune to the word "public", indeed opposed to it, as their belief is the "us and them" theme.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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i think i understand alexander
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I should hope so, Keith. That's common knowledge in the basic form regards the present class society in the UK.
From the very top it starts with "us and them".
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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GaryC - #1573 - once again, 'illegal avoidance' does not exist, it is either avoidance (perfectly legal and proper) or evasion (illegal and wrong).
People in all walks of life avoid tax, or manage their tax affairs all the time and quite rightly so.
If some of you think that the government should be all mighty and we all should knuckle down and do what it says like serfs then say so.
While there is freedom we will all be free to avoid unnecessary tax and quite rightly so.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Might it not be easier and more simple to classify any company unable to pay tax as trading while insolvent?
There may be some good reasons for this write-off and that, but when such total a sum equal to the entire liability something has to give.
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