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Keith Sansum1 wrote:
Also with Labour you have the ex Blairites such as Watson
Plus many more working to be rid of corbyn
Precisely why reselection is a valid and essential need for constituency members. After all, who gave anyone a job for life or, indeed, a job without performance related 'targets'? When you are in paid service, your effectiveness is measured by those that employ you and you answer for it.
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Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Please don't get me going on how Charlotte was selected lol
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The more interesting question Keef is how long Charlotte will remain selected?
For the past three centuries or so we've been running on the idea of trustee representation in Parliament - our elected representatives are NOT there to 'do our will'. As Burke wrote “Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving, you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.”
There is a nasty undercurrent bubbling afoot again (we've been through this before) that parliamentarians are merely there to 'give the people what they want' - see Brexit, or even worse, in the Labour Party, to do what a group of often self appointed activists want.
First they came for the District Councillors, but I did nothing because I was not a District Councillor etc ......................
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The Burke view is about as relevant to today's democracies as wattle and daub is to modern housebuilding. Burke spoke at a time when land and wealth determined suffrage, constituencies were at the disposal of major landowners, and parliamentary representatives were the landowners' men (Burke was one such man). This was the narrow economic interest Burke served, and he sought to preserve the existing economic and political relations by opposing any extension of the franchise on the basis that us commoners were ignorant and couldn't be trusted not to do over our betters. Well, the popular genie's now out of the bottle, and its desire is for more democracy, not less.
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I think she will be there for the general election
but effective candidate? I'm not so sure.
We now the left fighting the more moderates(Which Eddy isn't one!!)
I think once Labour are defeated(all the signs show it's going that way)
we may see a rethink
but they are to inward looking at the mo.
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:The Burke view is about as relevant to today's democracies as wattle and daub is to modern housebuilding.
We'll have to disagree on this one. FWIW I was in London last night at a talk and Q&A with Jesse Norman MP, about his new biography of Adam Smith. His previous biography was about Burke.
Here he is talking about the latter. I think, on balance, I subscribe more to Jesse's overview than yours.
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Captain Haddock wrote:I subscribe more to Jesse's overview than yours.
That's hardly surprising given his elitist credentials. Me, I'd rather listen toJessye Norman any day.
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Well, I must admit I did have a look at Mr Norman's short lecture (his speaking voice reminded me of the fair Boris: these elitists all sound the same to me). I almost gave up early when he got a dig in at Thomas Paine (not that I think TP's the last word, but it was a cheap shot to set up an opposition when the relationship is a bit more complex). JN's purpose wasn't to tell us, yet again, that Burke was the founder of conservatism and a principled man whose apparently contradictory positions on the British Empire, American Independence and the French Revolution were the products of an entirely consistent political philosophy. Rather it was to claim that Burke was the articulator of a particular brand of conservatism, communitarian rather than individualistic, presumably the kind of which Norman is an example. In other words it's another shot in the intra-conservative battle for the soul of Burke. But for me, the lecture was more notable for what it left out: the anti-democratic, elitist element that is just as central to Burke's philosophy and which remains a fundamental part of conservative thinking to this day.
Anyway, I wonder what Charlotte would think of all this.
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She's checking with central office and will get back to you shortly.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I wonder how many thousands Charlotte will lose by
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WGS. Your comments, as always, well worth a read.
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Making politics matter she said!
Did someone forget to put the flyers out?
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It's almost Christmas so Charlotte has now written a cross between A Christmas Carol and Hard Times! All shall have humbug(s). Enjoy:-
https://www.charlottecornell.org/short-articles-and-comment/2018/11/09/karl-man-of-kent-2018-the-poverty-trap/'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
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I think Karl lives down the road from me, spends his day watching Netflix and smoking weed. He doesn't know the babies not his (I'll be in the window seat when that day comes)
His brother is actually very talented, though sometimes finds social situations a little tricky, the mum doesn't want him to leave home as he does most of the chores around the house, she still hasn't got her head around the difference between the work capability assessment and the personal independence payment assessment.
Karl's labour PPC has told him when labour get in it won't matter that his job will go to that Eritrean bloke, because they're going to give him a house and if he doesn't want to, he shall never have to work another day in his life.
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The last line, all politicians are the same right? is an interesting one.
Obviously everyone is now aware the present Govt as borrowed more than Labour, and we are in a dire position on debt.
But if we believe the shadow Chancellor borrowing more, and giving more to everyone, will solve everything, there are bigger issues.
How do we pay for the borrowing?
Labour won't immediately renationalise railways, they say they will do it as franchises come up for renewal so that could be 20 years away.
The turnout at Charlotts out of Town meeting showed things are not as they should be.
But iv been telling the labour party that for some time, one of there leading lights slagged me off on here for banging on about it(her words)
they are to inward looking.
will they lose by 8,000? in Dover?
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I think the parts of Mr Pumblechook, Bill Sikes, Josiah Bounderby, Noah Claypole, Bently Drummle, Wackford Squeers, Monks and Sir Leicester Dedlock in the Forum Christmas Dickens extravaganza are probably oversubscribed already, but who will play the Aged P, Sissy Jupe, Betsey Trotwood, Sydney Carton, Tiny Tim, Mr Brownlow and Jenny Wren? (Better leave Fagin out of it this year.)
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That's just so sad, using children to further your own agenda.
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Reginald Barrington wrote:That's just so sad, using children to further your own agenda.
It is possible that is how Labour managed to gain Canterbury by targeting those who are more likely to believe whatever they are told. I hope the other parties are invited to try and brainwash these young people.
I assume she had her crystal ball to truthfully answer the Brexit questions.
"The students asked loads of great questions, ranging from ‘Will Brexit really happen?’ to ‘What do I think happens next / What does 2019 hold?,’ to ‘What do [I] really think of Theresa May?’
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Reginald Barrington wrote:That's just so sad, using children to further your own agenda.
Indeed. Truly shocking, abject and exploitative.
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