John Buckley
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Neil Moors wrote:The "Packet of crisps" analogy is going to be a defining moment, isn't it.....
Only for the “ remainers “ I would guess Neil, for the rest of us we’ll just add it on to the “project fear” list!
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Not often that a Labour party move is welcomed by business leaders.
I believe that a continuation of slavery might have also been considered 'good for the economy' by many Southern plantation owners. They too would have said that those calling for abolition did not really understand the complexity of the matter and that the slaves themselves might be looking to a reduction in their living standards.
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Brian Dixon
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I don't know,tbh I give up. when will brexiters learn its not happening. t.mays has seen to that by not knowing whats what.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I don't think Brian is too far out, we will leave officially but recent events, especially yesterday, make it seem extremely likely that we will remain in the Customs Union and pay for the privilege. We will hear from the likes of Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg that this is not what people voted for but the truth people voted to leave for various different reasons.
Reginald Barrington
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:I don't think Brian is too far out, we will leave officially but recent events, especially yesterday, make it seem extremely likely that we will remain in the Customs Union and pay for the privilege. We will hear from the likes of Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg that this is not what people voted for but the truth people voted to leave for various different reasons.
Seriously Howard? because corbyn has been pressured into saying labour want to stay in a customs union we will?
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Neil Moors wrote:The "Packet of crisps" analogy is going to be a defining moment, isn't it.....
I'll take the crisps, I can put them in my pocket, eat them where and when I want or share them with whom I want.
The three course meal means sitting at the table being served by overpayed bossy waiters and I can't leave the table until my plates empty! !
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Reginald Barrington wrote:Seriously Howard? because corbyn has been pressured into saying labour want to stay in a customs union we will?
Most certainly Reg because the vast majority of MPs on all sides want it that way, the decision by the Labour party has been coming for quite a while now as it became very clear that our negotiating team don't really know what they want.
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They should have come asked you Howard you seem to have it all Sussed out!
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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reg, its what most people want not just jezza, if you want to struggle through shed loads of trucks that's up to you.
Keith Sansum1
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Wish they would just get on with it and do what the people asked
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon wrote:reg, its what most people want not just jezza, if you want to struggle through shed loads of trucks that's up to you.
You've asked most people have you Brian?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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common knowledge reg
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So far as I'm aware, the only example of a Customs Union between the EU and a non-EU country is the one with Turkey. It basically means that trade between the 2 parties is free from protective tariffs (I say 'basically' because there are exceptions). The 2 parties also share a common protective tariff on their imports from other countries (from the USA for example), so basically Turkey cannot strike deals on its own. But...
- you still need Customs clearance of imports from and exports to Turkey
- you still have to pay import VAT up-front
- you still need certificates of origin and
- (only spotted this today) Turkey is not covered by Free Trade Agreements that the EU has concluded; in other words, imports into Turkey from country A are free of duty if the EU says so, but exports from Turkey to country A still face the latter's protective tariffs.
When advocating a Customs Union, then, the key word is 'bespoke'!
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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All this talk of what the people want is misleading, because everybody has their own interpretation to suit their own position. The exact question, of course, was "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" The multiple choice answer was either "Remain a member of the Europan Union" or "Leave the European Union".
So, no talk of a bespoke trade agreement here, a customs union there. My guess is that the huge majority translated that question to "Do you want to see fewer EU migrants in the United Kingdom?". This is what frustrates me more than anything - was it really not possible between all involved to do something to address this issue?! That would probably have been enough to put the whole saga back to bed. I blame both sides for this; the UK Government for taking the free ride of allowing migrants to be blamed for everything and the EU for being so dogmatic in its approach in not reacting to public concern (across multiple member states), no matter how misguided they believed it to be.
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Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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No matter what you me or other semi sane people think Neil, we’ll end up with what this crowd are drawn into:-
Do nothing and nothing happens.
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Brian Dixon wrote:common knowledge reg
Looks like you aren’t common enough Reginald.....appears to be an unusual back handed compliment from Brian !
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I don't recognise any of the good folk pictured but clearly it was taken locally, rather appropriate as this is a local issue for local people.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I wonder how this would work in practice much as I take the point that the border is very wide therefore difficult to police but in the event of a no deal customs duties would have to be paid either side.
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Regarding 1592, it's a pity there's no coach parking next to the Banksy, the picture would've said a thousand words.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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It's crunch time now.
If I were the PM, and you know you are going to have to upset somebody, it would definitely be the right wing lunatics. So, I would maintain a (possibly even the) customs union and take the hit. The Ireland issue is resolved immediately and it has no impact, to my knowledge, on free movement. Remainers would scream that we could not do our own trade deals, but, the public don't really care about trade deals. They are too abstract to incorporate into everyday life so the PM would not be punished by the voter. However, she could say that free movement has ended. That would give the public want they really wanted (rightly or wrongly) and everyone would move on (out of Brexit fatigue if nothing else).
This is why I think we have no chance of getting what we want - Voters. The EU doesn't have to worry about keeping voters happy. That is why this is all a walk in the park for them.
Do nothing and nothing happens.
