Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Obviously Tom Watson thinks the majority of those that voted were wrong.
..."Our members are remain, our values are remain, our hearts are remain... we need to be loud and proud in support of Europe.".....
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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jan, we are not an island we are a part of somthing far, far bigger.
yes I proud to be british but all so proud to be European as well.
bring on a second referendum.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon wrote:jan, we are not an island we are a part of somthing far, far bigger.
yes I proud to be british but all so proud to be European as well.
bring on a second referendum.
I agree Brian although an island we are part of something "far, far bigger", the whole rest of the World.
I will always be a European as well as British whether we stay in the EU or not.
A second Referendum will probably end up with the same narrow result, depending on what the ballot paper question happens to be.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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that's the point jan, its all in the wording, it could be on the biased side though.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon wrote:that's the point jan, its all in the wording, it could be on the biased side though.
As you say it could be biased, for exit or for stay. I simply see another referendum repeating what has happened since the first one, more years of argument and resentment by the loser.
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 2,900
I'm surprised this didn't get going earlier, like it did around here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48763926. I still don't think it's insoluble or that it needs the white-hot cutting edge of technology.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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A question - why, within the context of the Irish border and a no deal scenario, do we never talk about people? Is it going to be the case that people can travel freely between the EU and a third country (UK) without a border check? If so, how?
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
You are right, Neil. This has been a scenario which has been kept away from public debate for a long time because it paints a picture that might provoke immigration concerns of the wrong kind.
In a post Brexit environment, would it be considered advisable for a dozen Romanians (hypothetically) to fly into Dublin, hire a van and drive to Larne and from there take a ferry into the UK without any immigration checks? I don't think so but, hey, there are "abundant" technical solutions to the border problem apparently.
Button- Location: Dover
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Well, I guess a dozen RoW people could fly into Shannon from wherever today, hire a van, cross the ILB and stay there, or take a ferry to Great Britain...
Or fly into LHR, hire a van and enter Schengen at Dover...
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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or not bother at all.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#4134 I hate to appear obtuse, Button, but you've confused me rather. Do you mean that there are no immigration controls at Shannon or Heathrow for non-EU travellers?
Button- Location: Dover
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No, I'm just pointing out that, since the UK is already fronted by controls at Shannon (note that Eire is not in Schengen) and Schengen relies on (French) controls at Dover, I'm not sure there will be much of a change.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Okey, dokey. I think I get your drift.
I was envisaging a situation where the UK leaves the EU with no agreement yet there is no hard border between Eire and the north. As Neil pointed out earlier, the opportunities to move both goods and people in and out of the EU would exist under such circumstances.
Button- Location: Dover
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Sure - it's called smuggling and has been around for a long time, and I don't doubt that it happens across the ILB currently.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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button why bother going the long way via Ireland, when you can get a rib in calias for a price so you can sail across a short sea route.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#4139 - It's hard to understand the concept of smuggling between 2 countries who have identical regimes. The point is that that situation will change.
Button- Location: Dover
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Well, things get smuggled that are illegal in both Eire and the UK (eg. weapons, drugs, porn, etc) plus we don't have identical regimes (eg. Excise Duty and, so far as I'm aware, VAT).
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Button- Location: Dover
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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That's an odd press release surely. I'm not sure what message we are meant to infer.
The penultimate (and perhaps most important sentence) seems to be missing its main verb:
Merchants, border agencies and highway authorities pivotal roles to play in ensuring the system continues to operate smoothly.
Presumably the sense is 'have pivotal roles'. Is the implication that these roles are not being played to the necessary extent and that DHB is ahead in the preparedness stakes? What think you, Button?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
bluff and counter bluff,probably haven't any thing pivotal exept the chairs in there offices.