Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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big ballot box due in may [government one.] plus locals.
Just Sioux- Location: Kent
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Taking everything into account including the 4 million names petition and the mass demonstration in London today our MPs do have a way of extricating themselves from a tricky situation. One of the 7 choices confronting them is to approve another Referendum, then they can say that any blame for what happens next is not down to them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47678763
Great idea Mr mcsweeney and if the vote is to remain, will the ‘leavers’ then get another vote as they don’t like the result?
4 million online votes from all over the world proves nothing as anyone can vote whatever their nationality or motives.
As for mass demonstrations being proof of being right then, the Brixton riots and looting of a few years ago in your country justified their cause then?
Which side do you support Brian Dixon? Incidentally why does one need an Irish passport to leave Ayclffe?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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1/ I support my side
2/ don't need an irish to leave Aycliffe, but you will need one to leave the uk.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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As I said many months ago, there are only two ways out of this; a General Election or a second Referendum. I still believe that to be the case - with the former looking more likely.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Sunday Times.
Theresa May was at the mercy of a full-blown cabinet coup last night as senior ministers moved to oust the prime minister and replace her with her deputy, David Lidington. In a frantic series of private telephone calls, senior ministers agreed the prime minister must announce she is standing down, warning that she has become a toxic and “erratic” figure whose judgment has “gone haywire”.
As up to 1m people marched on the streets of London against Brexit yesterday, May’s fate was being decided elsewhere.
The Sunday Times spoke to 11 cabinet ministers who confirmed that they wanted the prime minister to make way for someone else. The plotters plan to confront May at a cabinet meeting tomorrow and demand that she announces she is quitting. If she refuses, they will threaten mass resignations or publicly demand her head. Last night, the conspirators were locked in talks to try to reach a consensus deal on a new prime minister so there does not have to be a protracted leadership contest.
At least six ministers are supportive of installing Lidington, the de facto deputy prime minister, as a caretaker in No 10 to deliver Brexit and then make way for a full leadership contest in the autumn.
Lidington’s supporters include cabinet remainers Greg Clark, Amber Rudd and David Gauke. The chancellor, Philip Hammond, also believes Lidington should take over if May refuses this week to seek a new consensus deal on Brexit.
Crucially, the home secretary, Sajid Javid, has agreed to put his own leadership ambitions on hold until the autumn to clear the way for Lidington — as long as his main rivals do the same. Lidington is understood not to be pressing for the top job but is prepared to take over if that is the will of cabinet. He would agree not to stand in the contest to find a permanent leader. A cabinet source said: “David’s job would be to secure an extension with the EU, find a consensus for a new Brexit policy and then arrange an orderly transition to a new leader.” However, others called for Michael Gove or Jeremy Hunt to take charge instead. Hunt, the foreign secretary, does not support Lidington because he believes he would do a deal with Labour to take Britain into a permanent customs union with the EU, although he has lost confidence in May’s ability to take advice or deliver the deal.
Lidington’s friends want him to pledge to allow the cabinet to decide Brexit policy in order to get Hunt and Gove on board, urging the three cabinet heavyweights to work together to take control of the government.
Gove, the environment secretary, has a leadership team in place and a raft of supporters who have been recruited in a series of secret dinners hosted by Mel Stride, the Treasury minister. Gove is prepared to support Lidington if others do but is sceptical that agreement will be reached. The coup erupted after a week of mistakes by May, who delivered a television statement that alienated the MPs whose support she needs for her Brexit deal and then flirted with backing a no deal before performing a U-turn. One cabinet minister said: “The end is nigh. She won’t be prime minister in 10 days’ time.” A second said: “Her judgment has started to go haywire. You can’t be a member of the cabinet who just puts your head in the sand.” George Freeman, the Conservative MP and Mrs May’s former policy adviser, warned that it was “all over for the PM.” “She’s done her best. But across the country you can see the anger,” he wrote on Twitter. “Everyone feels betrayed. Government’s gridlocked. Trust in democracy is collapsing. This can’t go on. We need a new PM who can reach out and build some sort of coalition for a Plan B.”
While Nicky Morgan, the former education secretary, wrote in The Sunday Telegraph that “it’s time to go,” and Conservative MP Anne-Marie Trevelyan said “we now need a leader who believes in our country”. Concerns about May’s mental and physical resilience are widely shared. Officials in parliament were so concerned about May’s welfare they drew up a protocol to extract her from the Commons if she collapsed at the dispatch box.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#3790 - and your point is?
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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That David Lammy is a hypocrite.
It's really not very cryptic Ray,
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The world is laughing at us enough it is without these silly petitions which make it look like a certain number of signatures from either side will decide the future of the UK rather than our elected politicians.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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people power H. bring on a election and a referendum at the same time. just to give the winner a mandate to work with.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Reginald Barrington wrote:That David Lammy is a hypocrite.
Lammy can be wrong (e.g. Brexit) but he can be right (e.g. on white celebrities in Africa photographed with a protective arm wrapped around the shoulders of a black African), but it's hardly hypocrisy for a Remainer to speak of Remaining to an audience of Remainers. It takes a bit of mental miscegenation to confuse the two.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Ah I see; pedantry doesn't have room for a sense of humour!
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Jan Higgins wrote:There is now a Leave petition I wonder if the media will publicise this one as much as the Remain one.
No need for a Leave petition surely: we're leaving. Aren't we? I'm sure I remember a vote on it.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Reginald Barrington wrote:Ah I see; pedantry doesn't have room for a sense of humour!
Pedantry is the root of all humour, RB: ask the Jesuits.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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wgs, there was, but everything has gone to pot. thanks to an incopatent government.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:No need for a Leave petition surely: we're leaving. Aren't we? I'm sure I remember a vote on it.
I think all these petitions are a waste of our time but I used to believe it was worth my time going to vote whether my side won or lost, sadly now I am not so sure when certain MP's choose to go against the will of the majority of their constituents.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#3792 - I've noticed that our Cap'n seems to have a thing about David Lammy but I hadn't realised he's appointed his own PR man, Reg.
My personal take is that, compared with the likes of Johnston, Gove, Davis et al, his integrity shines through like a beacon. Each to his own, I suppose.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Jan Higgins wrote:...I used to believe it was worth my time going to vote... sadly now I am not so sure when certain MP's choose to go against the will of the majority of their constituents.
MPs operate according to a modified form of Burke: 'Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion'. The modified bit comes when his judgment tells him that if he opposes opinion he may as well make a suppository of his career prospects (excuse the masculine personal pronouns, but Burke started it). It's a win-win: either 'principled politician' or 'people's champion'. In truth, though, the only principle shared by our representatives goes by the name of 'Peter'.
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