Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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well what can one say to that, but this.
Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
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Jan Higgins wrote:...it is people like this that have actually caused far to many of the deaths.
I think the data dropped off that, JH. Could you repost the link?
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:I think the data dropped off that, JH. Could you repost the link?
No data or link just common sense, if people had observed the lockdown from the start then the virus would not have spread so fast or so widely and we could all be well on the way back to normal by now.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Jan Higgins wrote:No data or link just common sense, if people had observed the lockdown from the start then the virus would not have spread so fast or so widely and we could all be well on the way back to normal by now.
That'll be the 200,000+ who attended the Cheltenham festival then. Quite a few MPs there on freebies apparently. Oh no. Sorry, that was the week before lockdown wasn't it? Damn stupid of them not to self isolate when they had the chance.
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Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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ray hutstone wrote:That'll be the 200,000+ who attended the Cheltenham festival then. Quite a few MPs there on freebies apparently. Oh no. Sorry, that was the week before lockdown wasn't it? Damn stupid of them not to self isolate when they had the chance.
A lot of people in Ireland also blamed the Cheltenham Gold Cup event for the influx of Covid 19 into their country and was highlighted in TheJournal.ie at the time.
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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I do hope we have a serious enquiry once this is all over
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John Buckley
- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
- Posts: 615
An enquiry into what exactly Keith? The ‘lockdown’, the CCP, where the China virus originated from or perhaps the dodgy statistics that the MSM. have been reporting?
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Jan Higgins wrote:No data or link just common sense, if people had observed the lockdown from the start then the virus would not have spread so fast or so widely and we could all be well on the way back to normal by now.
'Common sense' doesn't cut it when you're accusing someone of murder. I might just as well claim it's 'just common sense' that austerity politicians, and all those who voted for them, including many of the righteous Thursday clappers, 'have actually caused far too many deaths', since if they hadn't decimated the NHS in the first place it would have been better able from the start to cope with a simple pandemic. But I expect I'd be asked to substantiate it.
btw, there's no evidence to suggest the 'lockdown' has had any positive effect at all. Just because the government says it has doesn't make it so.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Going by the many comments from WGS who is obviously not in favour of the lockdown, as our respective views are unlikely to change there is not much point in continuing the debate.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I would like to hear what you all think of this virus tracking app that is being trialed, I think it will not be of much benefit.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
JB - which dodgy stats are those and which media outlets do you follow?
WGS - there is likewise no evidence that not implementing some or all elements of the current restrictions would have had an impact on infection and death rates. Whilst there is some degree of correlation between the imposition of restrictions and reduction in infection and death rates I agree that this cannot be taken to evidence causation. I do suspect however that there is some causal link between reduction in proximity on mass and the reductions in R0 seen in many countries.
JH - I certainly shan't be downloading it for a myriad of reasons - privacy and the fact that government cannot be trusted to avoid progressively bolting on other functions. the fact that they have outsourced the "track & trace" call centers to Serco to name a few.
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Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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‘Distance lends enchantment to the view.’
proverb
Things look better from further away.
Well Ray that’s just sodded up the above proverb!
Do nothing and nothing happens.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Bob - I'm sorry if I have 'sodded up' a cherished proverb. It's a sentiment that I would ordinarily agree with but, under our current circumstances, people are beginning to see through the the daily guff of Hancock's half hour in increasingly large numbers. It just takes an outside view to summarise it so precisely.
Ross - I agree with you about this app and the farcical attempt to laud it as a saviour. Without the analogue back-up of PPE as and when needed, mass and accessible testing and as near as possible to total contact tracing, it is a partial asset at best. And, of course, led by Cummings and the brothers Warner, we have taken the 'we know best' route using a central data repository rather than the approach being followed elsewhere in Europe. Fine until your digital immunity verification is needed in a year or so's time when holidays start to creep back into peoples' minds. 'Sorry, but your digital signature uses a format incompatible with ours and we therefore can't vaildate it.' That will go down well with the masses keen to jump back on a plane to somewhere sunny.
John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Ross, re the ‘dodgy stats’.
I was referring to the stats as reported by the msm, not actually produced by them. ( they obviously originate from the Govt., or medical services etc. )
However, as an example, take the cases that have been listed as having died FROM the virus instead of WITH the virus which are two completely different things of course. ( If you had underlying heart problems but also had the flu and subsequently suffered a cardiac arrest then I would suggest that the death certificate would be unlikely to show ‘influenza’ as the cause of one’s demise. )
Then we have the omission in the death count of people in care homes or dying at home?
You probably know that I’m a great lover of the ‘Guardian’
and which only last month reported the following:-
“But local hospitals and public health experts are playing down the statistics. “The figures are misleading and alarming. People look at them and think, ‘Oh gosh, we’re all going to get it’ and ‘Sheffield is a high-risk area’, but that’s not true,” said Dr Andrew Lee, a reader of global public health at Sheffield University and executive director of primary care and population health at NHS Vale of York clinical commissioning group.“
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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John, I agree that the figures put out by HMG are misleading and clearly intentionally so, as they were the ones who changed the rules regarding the reporting of COD so that if the coroner has reason to believe the deceased had coronavirus then that is put as the cause of death rather than the actual cause.
I may be misreading the quote you posted, but to me it seems to back up your assertion that the figures are of dubious quality.
Of the so called main stream media, the Grauniad and Independent have for some considerable time questioned the validity of the numbers being spouted on a daily basis by HMG (and parroted by most other outlets) whether it is tests carried out, test capacity, test accuracy, infections, infection rate, deaths etc.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Ross Miller wrote:.
JH - I certainly shan't be downloading it for a myriad of reasons - privacy and the fact that government cannot be trusted to avoid progressively bolting on other functions. the fact that they have outsourced the "track & trace" call centers to Serco to name a few.
I have my doubts it will be of much overall benefit, telling a person they have been near to the virus does not mean that person will act on the information. I also have doubts about the privacy issue, I do not really want any group to have the chance to track wherever I go. Just a little bit to much like Big Brother is watching us and our every move.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,101
Meanwhile how ARE we going to keep them down on the farm now that they've seen Paris?
If I were 'furloughed' on 80% pay (no travel costs or time) I suspect I might be far too 'frightened' to go back to work?
From what I hear many teachers are and they have been on 100% salary.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Captain Haddock wrote:Meanwhile how ARE we going to keep them down on the farm now that they've seen Paris?
If I were 'furloughed' on 80% pay (no travel costs or time) I suspect I might be far too 'frightened' to go back to work?
From what I hear many teachers are and they have been on 100% salary.
With no professional sport taking place, I am quite enjoying watching the ERG and "Tory Grandees" slowly going into meltdown about this. To his credit and my surprise, the PM no longer seems to care about what they plant in the Daily Telegraph and is sticking to his guns that a return will only be considered when safe to do so. Good on him.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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