Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Do nothing and nothing happens.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Just the men to lead us in a crisis, eh?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36677028
Excuse me while I vomit copiously and extravagantly.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,879
Desperation raises its head when Ray has to dig up an article from four years ago, either that or possible boredom.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Are you so entrenched in your views that cannot recognise blatant hypocrisy when you see it? He was either lying then or he is lying now in his gushing, fawning defence of our feckless PM.
Four years old it may be but it is very relevant in the context of recent events.
You can't have it both ways, Jan.
I'm saying no more on the subject
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
To be fair to Ray, this is a fine example of Gove at his worst; a two faced, back stabbing t**d.
I wouldn't trust him, BJ, Hancock and especially Patel as far as I could throw them
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,879
I do not trust any politician of any colour, none of them tell us the truth and never give a simple honest answer to any question. Plus the longer the waffling answer to a question the less they actually tell us.
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,069
Button wrote:...as I understand it, this corona virus can be spread human-to-human but it's mostly unknown (here and in the US) which humans are healthy and which unhealthy and, even, how the latter are doing it. So there's a series of nested risks: that I come across such a human, contract the virus, develop COVID19, pass it on in my turn and die. I don't know the likelihood associated with those risk events, but death strikes me as quite a severe potential outcome.
That's all as may be, B. But it doesn't begin to address the question of how 'slowing the spread' requires the imposition of wholesale economic distress and the confinement and infantilization of the healthy. There's zero evidence to show what effect it has, if any.
Ref #398. RM, yes, 'caution...should be the watchword'. I agree. It should have been from the very beginning. But forcing business closures, throwing people out of jobs, building up debt and pauperising us for years to come, depriving the healthy and the not-so-healthy of liberty and the latter of care, forbidding social and familial contact, increasing mental illness... If you think this is 'caution', then I imagine you also have a counter-intuitive understanding of what 'reckless' amounts to.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,879
I guess it all depends on which is deemed the more important human life or "economic distress".
I believe the former, especially those clever people and the hard workers a lot younger than I am who have the ability to get us out of "economic distress" however many years it may take.
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
WGS we must all take responsibility for our health and behaviour. As is still evident on the streets many people seem incapable of exercising social distancing. Equally many businesses failed to rapidly implement measures to protect their staff and customers (from each other & themselves) leaving the authorities, who had also failed to respond rapidly, with nowhere to go but to institute a lock down.
Without a proper testing regime, we can presume we are virus free but we cannot prove as such and given recent announcements from South East Asia there appears to be a chance that people can be hit with this virus more than once we all need to think carefully about protecting ourselves and others.
Since then many businesses were able to conduct their business through their staff working remotely; sadly certain sectors cannot do that and are the ones bearing the brunt of the pain and potential loss. Unfortunately matters have not been helped by the governments lack of clarity on what is and isnt acceptable, lack of alacrity in delivering support and lack of honesty in how this will be paid for; as well as their lack of transparency on the NHS and its supply chain..
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Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Jan Higgins wrote:I guess it all depends on which is deemed the more important human life or "economic distress".
I believe the former, especially those clever people and the hard workers a lot younger than I am who have the ability to get us out of "economic distress" however many years it may take.
‘Been there, got the tee shirt’ Jan.
Although I don’t believe things will get as bad as at the end of WW2 ; we will come through it.
An extract from a book of memories that I wrote ,
Looking Back..............
Page 6.
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,057
Weird Granny Slater wrote:That's all as may be, B. But it doesn't begin to address the question of how 'slowing the spread' requires the imposition of wholesale economic distress and the confinement and infantilization of the healthy.
Given a decision to slow the spread, then I beg to differ - although one could have a debate on cost:benefit analysis, I accept. It's been many a year since I was reasonably familiar with
https://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/theory/alarpcheck.htm, but you can see that a price can be put upon a human life, and often rightly so.
(Not my real name.)
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
I like your reflections Bob.Im writing a Mrs Dales Diary every day reflecting what it was like when I was a child.Its on River Community,page
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Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Sue Nicholas wrote:I like your reflections Bob.Im writing a Mrs Dales Diary every day reflecting what it was like when I was a child.Its on River Community,page
That sounds interesting Sue. Can you provide a link or the full url?
p.s. This might even encourage Vic to resume his life story which many miss!
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,069
Jan Higgins wrote:I guess it all depends on which is deemed the more important human life or "economic distress".
Except that's a false dichotomy, JH. It's clear that the 'lockdown' policy is exacerbating existing health problems and creating more that are being kicked down the road for later. People with serious health conditions dissuaded from getting to hospital and dying as a consequence; recovering patients turfed out of beds; regular health check-ups cancelled; operations cancelled; cancer screenings cancelled (two in my own house btw)... No, it's not either economic distress or life, but economic distress pitting life against life.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,069
Ross Miller wrote:...nowhere to go but to institute a lock down...
Yes, RM, I understand that 'the authorities'
tell us they had 'nowhere to go' but 'lockdown', and I see that, astonishingly, most people actually believe it. But the real story is that an increasingly hysterical media demanded that 'something must be done', created a mass of echoing voices demanding that 'something must be done', and this, along with some doubtful science, panicked (or pretexted, according to your view) a jejune administration into taking oppressive and damaging economic and social (let alone legal and regulatory) measures. But if you've got your ear to the ground you'll know that behind the 'united front' there's a rum old battle going on about how to retreat from the disastrous set of circumstances their naivety brought about (and how to shift the blame). What's more, the latest reports suggest that covid-19 infections peaked in March,
before 'lockdown', and that the government were aware of this.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8235979/UKs-coronavirus-crisis-peaked-lockdown-Expert-argues-draconian-measures-unnecessary.html
The 'lack of clarity' etc... is simply what you would expect from politicians who are big on the grand gesture but hopeless on the detail.
By the way, I have no doubt that the vast majority of people do 'take responsibility for [their] health and behaviour', and don't require a finger-wagging policeman (or pseudo-policeman) to remind them to do so. Apart from a few instances of questionable behaviour, I've witnessed only a respectful distance being kept. Collective punishment isn't really a healthy way to respond to irresponsibility and criminal behaviour. I know it's the norm in North Korea, but I wouldn't be happy to see it in England.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,257
The daily mail WGS? I thought better of you!
Can you imagine the furore if they hadn't implemented a lockdown and the nhs had gone into meltdown? At least this way they only have to fend off the whingeing left for not having implemented it soon enough.
Personally I'm with you and we have been needing a population reduction for some years now.
Ross do you have a link to the re-infection rates you mention.
Arte et Marte
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,257
Thanks Ross.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,257
Nothing recent, i have seen the reports of a couple of cases from early in the epedemic but with no conclusions as to the reason and with over 2 1/2 million confirmed cases currently I guess I'll not worry too much about it.
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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