Guest 2756- Registered: 2 Aug 2018
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South Korea being hit hardest after China have the corona virus totally under control are not concerned about it life remains normal and there are empty hospital beds. They do not understand the panic. Have offered to hold tele communication global summit to share the methods to halt the virus.
Don’t test the people who are ill we know their results. Test the people who are not ill who don’t realise they have the virus but are spreading it. Early detection early isolation. Donald Trump screaming for millions of test kits. U.K. response:- scrap the drive thru test stations in Northern Ireland instruct all engineer manufacturers to make as many respirators as possible, each machine needs 5 nurses and a doctor with 8 years training to operate. Herd immunity to deliberately infect 60 million U.K. residents without evidence it would work and no vaccination in place. What an embarrassment to the rest of the world. I wish right now I was South Korean!!
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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What an absolute load of bull, totally under control does not equate to 76 new cases today and 3 deaths, and declaring a disaster zone in Daegu and surrounds.
As for that ventilator nonsense wow!
Arte et Marte
Guest 2756- Registered: 2 Aug 2018
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Pleased you have the figures. Compare them to U.K. USA or Europe. Yes I would say they have it under control with figures dropping daily.
What aspect of the respirators do you feel is a load of bull? It’s all fact and researchable
Guest 2756- Registered: 2 Aug 2018
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And does anybody know where we can go to be tested a drive thru or somewhere?
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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Ventilators: It takes 1 nurses to operate and a doctor to assess the patients need and intubate(though suitably qualified nurses are able to do this) and the doctor to assess patient's subsequent needs for variations to flow rates etc, your 5 nurses figure comes from the number of nurses to cover shift patterns, nurses and doctors also deal with multiple patients concurrently. So yes a load of bull.
As for drive through testing I don't know but don't believe it's significantly important as those with severe symptons are the ones that need the medical intervention and drive through testing does not provide that.
Arte et Marte
Guest 2756- Registered: 2 Aug 2018
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Yes this is how the U.K. is prepared to tackle the hell that has now landed here.
No community testing facility to identify and remove the carriers into full isolation.
The people who seem healthy are the real threat but even they won’t know they are ill at the time they transmit the virus without taking a test.
This is a policy which prepares us to act only to cure once we are ill.
It does nothing to prevent us from getting ill, in fact it openly exposes us and invites the virus to spread everywhere.
We are not being asked to self isolate if we are fit and healthy, unless we are over 70 years old, we are being asked to self isolate when we are ill.
Again this makes no attempt to prevent infection. Our policy makes certain we all catch the virus.
There are 80 million people in the country not to mention the millions who have entered illegally.
There is no cure for this mother, only medical care for so many millions is intensive care ventilator/respirators.
It has been officially announced we only have 5000 of these ventilators. That’s about 79,995,000 remaining.
It has been assessed at least 1 in 20 people will require critical care that’s 5% of the total = 4,000,000 people that WILL die on the first wave.
People have already been diagnosed twice with the virus so we do not grow immunity to it and there is no longer term data to assess.
South Korea have 61 million population so they have same challenge to deal with. Life there has not even been disrupted other than a few cluster isolations. Their airports are still running flights for heavens sake.
We have no concern with this virus we feel it has peaked and infections or mortalities have steadily fallen to near zero.
We do not have a clue about this virus but in times of such crisis we must assess the global response identify the most effective policy and implement a similar response.
We do not all need to catch this virus
We do not need masses of death
Hell we do not even need to change our lifestyles to beat this mother
But instead we have sentenced our people to annihilation.
Hard to turn clock back now tens of thousands of us are already carriers we just show no symptoms yet.
Nearly all scientists in the country have signed a declaration that their combined knowledge is conclusive in its assessment that our government is going to kill us all needlessly.
Government claim they are acting on scientific evidence and advice.
World Health Organisation are furious at U.K. policy. Claim we sentencing ourselves to death and worse we are breeding the virus so it will grow stronger and spread globally.
I’m no biologist I’m no scientist I’m not an ist of any kind.
I am however a common sense thinker
A logic based problem solver
And a rational straight talker
We have been sentenced to annihilation
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,259
You should save your energy, if you believe your own ramblings you are going to need it.
Good luck out there.
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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Reminds me of the old days when our friend Alexander British used to ramble on ad nauseam.
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Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
- Posts: 1,938
Laboliques said, among other prophesies, I’m no biologist I’m no scientist I’m not an
ist of any kind.’
Not even a real
ist then?
Cripes! Just somebody who is only ‘
bricking it’ !!
Each to his own I suppose:
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Guest 2756- Registered: 2 Aug 2018
- Posts: 42
So as the great imperial house, advisers to the government strategy, the greatest brains in the world, release a comprehensive desperate statement admitting they had formulated their strategies based on all global data but they had not realised how aggressive and difficult the coronavirus would be to treat in a controlled regulated way, have now declared their fear and concern for the citizens of the U.K. because they know their strategy is completely wrong and the figures are going to be a million miles away from what they had predicted.
Recalculated evaluations disclose the new predictions of the imperial house super brains reveal the U.K. is now in critical territory due to their error with forecast for deaths now definitely going to be hundreds of thousands if not millions and hundreds of thousands going to need emergency care at any one time with only a few thousand spaces available.
Yes people exactly as I predicted last night, for which you ridicule me for, was exactly right, and the government and Boris have had to announce new drastic measures, which are still pointless and wrong, due to the gravity of the imperial house report, and Boris now fully knows he has the blood of millions of deaths on his hands for his wrong decisions. Yes he has sentenced us to death. Get ready for it because it sounds like you all are not.
WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION say what the f**k are you p***ks doing you are all going to die.
You need right now to test test test nothing else just test, exactly what I said last night, if you do not mass test now you all deserve to die, that is what is going to happen.
It is not rocket science you lot but then I guess it must be
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,259
Shame I was just beginning to like you, do you have enough foil for your hat?
Arte et Marte
Guest 2756- Registered: 2 Aug 2018
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Don’t need anybody to like me would just appreciate nobody trying to kill me...or anybody else. The government have got this wrong Boris has this wrong. Irrespective the whole world as well their own advisers imperial college telling the government they are wrong earlier today I had already identified exactly what was wrong last night.
Because Boris knows the situation he has put us in he has implemented measures today, but again they are nonsense, with his right hand man very smug at the fact our government are going to try develop a test for people who have been ill and recovered. WHAT? He ain’t all there.
Boris needs to dismiss his embarrassment be a leader heed the advisors warning that they have made a mistake and scrap his entire plan it won’t work.
The British have arguably the greatest intelligence in the world we have already produced a vaccine that protects us against the virus.
We don’t have manufacturing capabilities to mass manufacture it so we are trying to hand it to China. There is an entire town in sandwich the old Pfizer’s surely we could do something there.
As for brickin it, yes I am for the nations safety, on a personal basis everybody that knows me would tell you I don’t really give a shit. I’m fit and healthy so I take my chances, millions are not so fortunate
Guest 2756- Registered: 2 Aug 2018
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Oh and because our government won’t test properly we have no real figures but government estimates 50.000 of us already infected so there are probably more like 250,000
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,259
It is good that during these worrying times people are willing to take time out to entertain others, thank you
Arte et Marte
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
It's now pretty much self evident that the government chose to put their faith in one particular set of models which has proven woefully wrong in terms of predicting the need for, and strain on, critical care. Modelling is just that. Cue howls of protest on here but try for a slighly more objective opinion.
https://www.facebook.com/scientistsforeu/videos/200723597897545/Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,259
How would you choose which model to follow Ray? Personally i would choose the model that the experts recommend, of course that leads to the question :how would you choose which experts to listen to?
I know let's find some that have the same views as me:
"Scientists for EU is a campaign by UK scientists to keep the UK in the EU."
Arte et Marte
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
I didn't really expect you to listen to it, Reggie. If you had done you might have attempted to put together a cogent argument against the points made. Then again, probably not. Nice to know nothing much has changed on here.
Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,086
'Do nothing? Mitigate? Suppress? Panic? Think, de Pfeffel, think. Ah! "Eeny, meeny, miny, moe, catch a mathematical model by the toe..."'
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,061
So let's suppose I test myself and the response is negative, ie. Button's immune system had not concocted antibodies at the time the test was performed. And this means what, exactly?!
(Not my real name.)
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,259
ray hutstone wrote:I didn't really expect you to listen to it, Reggie. If you had done you might have attempted to put together a cogent argument against the points made. Then again, probably not. Nice to know nothing much has changed on here.
There would be no point in wasting my time and energy arguing the against the validity of his arguments when I have no knowledge in the field, just as much as I would not waste my time and energy arguing for the imperial college teams advice that the government Is following.
Nor would I be politicizing the crisis. But I know it makes you happy so crack on!
Arte et Marte
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus