howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry
churchil was of another time and he tended to get tiddly although the impression given of him as a heavy drinker is in fact untrue, the clown we are speaking off was practically unconscious.
i have read so many reports on this and they all say the same.
Perhaps if we were not subsidising their booze it might help??
Westminster Guiness prices.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Drinking at any kind of work should stop and you do not need to have a drink when having a working meal why not a cup of tea like the rest of us.Barry you are very much in the wrong on this one just like some of your MPs.Why should we be subsidising their booze when they are at work? Again we see one rule for them and one rule for us.I am told they even have their smoking room and do not have to go outside in the rain etc.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Ahhhh Howard- the point is Winnie was noticbly 'tiddly' as you put it.
One evening as he left The Commons MP Bessie Braddock said 'Winston, you're drunk' Madam, he replied 'you're ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober'.
I agree he was not what most of us would call a drunkard, he actually wrote in his book 'My Early Life', 'I have been brought up to have the utmost contempt for people who get drunk.'
But then he also once said
'No-one can say that I ever failed to display and meet a proper appreciation of alcohol'.
Yes, indeed these are different times and the extent of Reckless' drunkenness may or may not have been accurately reported but what I am certain about is that he is not unusual in or out of parliament. Any of us could have done exactly the same and I simple deplore a lot of the attitudes I have read here. I have more than on one occasion been worse for wear, when I should not have been and if you have not been so too then you have not lived!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Vic - I totally disagree with you. All to their own.
As Westminster has the status of a Royal Palace, I understand there is no duty charged on the booze so it is tax-free rather than subsised. I stand to be corrected on that however.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry
i can assure you that i am as far from being teetotal as anyone could be.
i make sure i am home and dry and do not make a fool of myself in public like mr reckless.
incidentally you may be aware that during the long nights of the last war churchill was alone in his office with his secretary next door who brought him reports of casualties.
in her last days she made her diary of those days available, apparently she poured him a large brandy every evening, never more that half of it was drunk.
bob
there was a chart in the mail today showing the full drinks menu at the commons, wine was about half what it would be in the eight bells.
i am trying to decide who would make the best drinking companions, m.p.s or the regulars at the eight bells.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I like some others have lost a house at the bay and a family because of drink very long time ago but still members of my own family do not talk to me,and at one time when working away from home, I not only put my own life in danger but others to because I had been drinking the night before and was still trying to get over it next day.I stoped drinking about 25years ago and have never looked back working and drinking do not mix,you may think you are in control but you are not at some point the drink takes over abnd you do not even know it.
But I also see some Cllrs walking around after having to much to drink coming from a meeting or a event it is all wrong, I have nothing against drinking when it is done in free time but if you are a member of a council it is very bad for the public to see you have had to much to drink.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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Howard #46. Ref teetotal. Jeanette is waiting patiently at the White Horse for an appearence from you. You`ve had one in the wood for weeks!
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Here here Barry. Only an idiot would suggest working at 200ft with a gut full of beer. Oddly enough, I can't find any reference to that being suggested as okay on this thread.
Barry asks for a sense of perspective, I ask people to read what's written first before leaping to the keyboard to make a name for themselves.
Mr Hapless (nice one Howard), deserves to have his balls chewed for sure; but, no outcry against Blears who chose to booze in two places and indirectly, by her use of language, almost admits to being merry too.
Jimmy, excellent post.
Bob, club prices I suspect. Would you decline if invited by Charlie for pint in the HoP bar?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I am not trying to make a name for myself just telling the facts of drinking and working.
But you're not Vic. With all due respect, you and others are moralising from a position of ignorance, which can only mean your view is too narrow to be of any ral value.
I'm not meaning this to be a personal attack, just trying to get you to understand the bigger picture.
Think about Smithfield Market. I've been in the old market at 4am drinking G&T with clients, because that is what some of them do and they consider it an insult if you don't join them. This is the real workld, not some pseudo Puritanical/Islamic eutopian ideal. If people want that, I suggest there are plenty of places they can get their lust satisfied.
I've not seen any defence of drunkenness at work in this thread, but an explanation that other industries do things differently, probably because of tradition or because they can. It doesn't make them, or you, right or wrong. They are just different.
Being different is part of what makes us so interesting as earthdwellers.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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sid
you are trying to deflect attention away from the wrong doer by making it a party political issue.
not so, the political colours are irrelevant.
yes i would imagine that new blue charlie would be a very convivial drinking companion, must be time for him to invite our forum fuhrer down for a swift half and have his photo taken.
i hardly think that our new honourable member is the type to end up rolling around the floor uttering things like "you're my mate you are, my best mate" in a west of scotland accent.
sorry jimmy, nothing personal.
Erm, how so Howard. I've stated at least twice in this thread that Mr Feckless needs a good seeing to by the Tory mandarins. Don't fall into the trap of not reading what I've actually written. I have not given any justification for beign drunk at work either.
Howevr, I will not accept preaching from those who would impose their views when they so obvuiously can't see beyond their noses that different industries work to different rules. Neither Barry nor myself are condoning drunkenness.
Jeez, I'm sick to death with saying the same things over and ovr.
READ THE BLOOMIN' WORDS BEFORE GOING INTO ATTACK MODE PLEASE!!! YES I KNOW I AM SHOUTING!!!!!!!
So, this is what despair feels like................
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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That s about your mark Sid.
Personal attack eh Vic? Unlike you. Must be losing the argument to resort to that tactic, but don't worry, I'll still be friendly when we meet.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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time to calm down chaps i think.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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It is unlike me and I am sorry and you are also right Howard but I take not a word back,what I have said I stand by.
If Howard doesn't claim that drink off Jeanette I'll have it.................
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BarryW and Sid you as ever are totally right, thank you for allowing me to be educated from my position of ignorance, I take it I did not make a name for myself by leaping for my keyboard, oh well..........................
