Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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N0 - MRP, I have critisised Conservatives when called for but I wont be a sanctimonious prig.
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You probably would have been had it been a Labour MP, I have just heard the RK news, the man was paralytic and unable to vote in a major vote on the budget. I do not care which party is involved if he was in that condition he is unfit for office, his constituents have been cheated. I can be drug and alcohol tested at any time while at work and I do not make decisions that affect the lives of everybody in this Nation.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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No - MRP, you are wrong about me.
I suspect though that you are judging me by your own values.
The media like to big these things up and they are among the biggest hypocrits (and drunkards) of all.
The guy got drunk. He needs to be severley reprimanded by his party. End of.
Interesting that no-one is attacking Blears for admitting to drinking in two places that evening! Tell me the criticism of Reckless isn't politically motivated. Okay for Blears, not okay for Reckless. Hypocrites!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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any m.p found to be the worse for wear through alcohol or drugs should be dismissed, the same as anyone else would in their job.
years ago a blind eye was turned to the luch time drink ups, this does not apply anymore.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Why not Howard? Many people go for a lunchtime session once and a while, I have had a few in the past. Sometimes it is actually constructive to do so!
I really do not go along with such po-faced puritanism as in your last post.... many a job has it wheels greased over a few pints. As long as the work gets done there is no problem and in my personal experience it never did prevent work and helped build workplace relationships.
Networking is helped along by a few drinks and, lets face it, the job of an MP involves a lot of networking - its an important part of the job.
I dont get a chance for such a session these days, a couple of times a year at conferences. Sometimes a pint or two with a client at lunchtime or at networking events.
It may not work for you howard and some employers may be stick in the mud but it works for some of us....
For the record, the UK property industry still works to the old style of liquid lunch meetings that go on to 3pm in the afternoon. I am sure there are others too.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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And very civilised too Sid...
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Barry and Sid ,so what you are saying that if you are working up at 200ft on steel with other workers it is OK to go into the pub first and drink beer then When do the job it does not matter about the men working with you.You both are talking aload of rubbish,we all do not work behind a desk pushing a pen around.when you are working at that high or on ships or any building site the last thing you want is some one working with you who has a gut full of beer he could kill the both of us.
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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Well said Vic, I wholeheartedly agree with you and the chances are that it would be the innocent party that is killed and not the drunk.
As for the MP, in the words of a well known former Conservative minister, "get on your bike mate". He's definitely not fit for purpose and neither is any other MP that disgraces himself and lets down his constituents in the same way.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Dave, Howard, MRP, Thank you all for your posts on this one,I have very strong feelings about this I was a welder for just over 40years and this is the kind of work I have done and you are always in danger of the unseen and need your wits about you all the time, I have worked on sites and yes men have died but must say none had died because of drink the law is very strong about drinking on building sites and they do carry out on site tests, and if you are found to have been drinking within 24hours of starting work you were sacked right there and then and this goes for drugs aswell.I do not drink and have not done so for many years,but how could I live with myself if some one was killed because I had been drinking and was not fit for work.
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#23, Barry what exactly are my values I apparently am judging you on? I live a decent life, I believe strongly in fairness and family values, I do not bully people and despise those that do.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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When you think about it they maybe voting on a change in the war which might have the lives of men and women on the end of it,and the MPs could be drunk when voting,they should be sacked right away, I think they should have to take a drink and drugs test before starting work like the rest of us.
When you look at Barrys post photo what is he doing ,he is drinking that about sums it up.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Sometimes this forum does produce a load of tat...
I would never suggest people performing certain jobs drink before they do so. Vic - you need to get a sense of perspective.
Some of us, those of us in business and in professional occupations, and that includes MPs, need to network. Good networking skills are essential and networking often involves alcohol.
This is as important to me in business as, by contrast a sober clear head and good balance is important for someone working at 200 feet on steel beams. The bulk of my business comes from networking and that does sometimes (not always) involve a few beers (or glasses of wine).
Breakfast networking has added over £680,000 in revenue to my business in the last 13 years, no alcohol at breakfast but follow-up lunchtime meetings and after work meetings frequently do.
I suspect that the division on here depends on the work experiences of those posting. Clearly alcohol to Vic is a 'no, no' - dont know what Dave1 does/did, or MRP - but I suspect networking was not an issue. If you work in an occupation in which contacts and who you know is not essential, building/manual trades, for instance or highly controlled environmenments then you may have difficulty grasping the point.
Just remember, what is right and necessary in one job and occupation is not right for another.
I have three networking engagements this week. One lunch which probably will not have any alcohol this time because of the person I am meeting, one breakfast, again no alcohol and an afternoon event over the weekend that will certainly involve alcolol (for me provided I dont drive, fingers crossed on that!).
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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MRP - I meant exactly what I said. I suspect you of accusing me (and others come to that) of attitudes in posts 8, 19 and 22 that reflect what you would do in the same situation. It is easy to cast aspertions as you do.
Brian Dixon
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this sounds like the shoe is moving from red to blue.a qoute "if you cant take it dont give it"unqoute.if its ok for the blue people to scorn red people,then why cant red people scorn blue people.alls fair in love and war.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry
you are self employed so what you do is your business.
mr hapless is employed by his constituents to represent them in the commons.
this he clearly failed to due to having been taken drunk, having read a couple of newspaper reports it seems that he was not the only one "three sheets to the wind".
the blue chief whip took this matter a lot more seriously than you appear to.
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Barry W you are very free in insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you obviously see yourself as a superior being, read back through your posts and you may get a idea of how you come across to us ordinary people. If you honestly believe that a MP being too drunk to function properly is OK, then I despair at your values, I hope you never get on a train or bus where the driver is in that condition, or attend Hospital and find the Doctor or nurses in that condition, or need the services of the Police Ambulance etc etc and find them in that condition after a day "networking". I am a Labour supporter, something you seem to think is akin to being a drug dealer! but most of all I live my life by the rules of decency and honesty, as I have said before I detest all forms of bullying.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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MRP - In my actual words merely I threw back at you exactly what you threw at me, if you cant take it then stop dishing it out.
Howard- my point is not to excuse him so much as point out how easily it is to have one or two too many, specially on a hot evening. Just to what degree the media have exagerated this we may never know. I did say he should not have got drunk. What I got fed up with was the hollier than tough attitude of many here and yes, it does not matter what party the individuals(s) represent. Socialising, networking and building contacts is an important part of an MP's job and that will involve alcohol at times. Sometimes it can go too far and I am certain that many MPs of all Parties have been in his position before including many highly respected individuals.
Churchill's imbibing did not prevent him being an effective war leader!
I do get fed up with the hair shirted 'new puritan' priggish attitudes that some here are guilty of.
Barry W,
I for one can put my hand up and say I have never been to any conferance,speeches,or presentations. Just goes to show it is still possible to live a normal life !!
