Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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7 October 2010
15:5974063Barry, the trident nuclear misile system on nuclear submarines is designed to cause the destruction of the world! This is the strategic part. All nuclear missile systems are designed to destroy the world.
Security in the world lies in coming to international agreements and avoiding a refurbishing of the nuclear misile systems world-wide.
To the best of my knowledge, Russia, China, France and the USA are allied States of our Country.
7 October 2010
16:1074066Marek - help me back on the red track, please!! I am being seduced by the shape-shifting blues!!!!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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7 October 2010
16:3074068Very naive that Alexander.
The ballistic missile sub, or boomers, as they are nicknamed, are to deter a first strike nuclear attack.
The USA is an ally but dont bet on them exposing themselves to protect us if we disarmed. I not convinced about the rest of the so called allies you name (yes, not even France) but the real danger comes from other areas, Iran and Korea who are developing their own nukes and then the possibility that nuclear armed Pakistan will fall to the Taliban.
It is a dangerous world out there and we need a nuclear deterrant. As I have said I am not totally convinced of the form that the deterrant should take but there certainly must be one.
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7 October 2010
16:3374069Bern - you are now running a business and, dare I say, a little more mature.
Perhaps that is all affecting your thinking. What is it some say, if you are not a socialist while young you have no heart, if still a socialist when older you have no head.
Me, I could never have had a heart if that were true.
7 October 2010
16:4274070Barry, as a youngster...... (cue loads of silly 'chopper' jokes).
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 October 2010
16:4974072is the swinging brick that barry refers to as a heart underneath the jacket bob?
had to be a bit careful with my typing on this one.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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7 October 2010
16:5274073You are certainly on form today Bob!
7 October 2010
16:5774075Something is affecting my thinking BarryW - I tend to think it may be the shiraz. I started out on the right, tea at the House with Ian Gilmour etc etc - found my red feet and trotted off, but have always rather liked politicians for what they say and think rather than the colour of their ties - or shoes in the case of the womenfolk. Loved Ken Clark, Loved Michael Foot. What can I tell you..............
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 October 2010
17:0074078funny you should say that bern, david h and myself were chatting with the t.v.chaps in the square yesterday on the very subject of interesting politicians.
tony benn came out on top, always a stimulating debater.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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7 October 2010
19:0474100Barry, I have examioned the information you passed me, and concluded that North Korea poses no threat to our Country. The government in Pjong Jang has not stated any hostile intention against Britain and does not manifest hostitility towards us.
Iran idem. The government in Teheran does no manifest intentions to invade our Country.
The last time I heard that European governments claimed Iran wanted to attack them with missiles, that was about 2 years ago, and it was the governments of Poland and the Czeck Republic. The pretext led to a near Cold War between Russia and Nato, but then Barak Obama told the two governments concernd where to get down, and refused to send a modern radar system with missiles to those two eastern European countries.
In fact, the American President realised that Iran has not manifested any intention to strike Poland or the Czeck Republic with missiles.
Barry, what could happen is, that by messing about with war-games and inventing star-war threats against Britain or Europe which are the fruit of fantasy, someone could actually rigger off a Cold War!
Think about it!
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7 October 2010
19:1074104As for the idea which you frequently fan that divisions of Taliban could march through Pakistan and carry of the pakistani atom bomb, or nuclear missile (or missiles), and that they would then fire it at us, hence we should be ready to blow up all Pakistan...
Please, Barry, may-be for a science-fiction book, but not in our Dover of our Fair Lady's Light-tower Church overlooking the Sea! Do you know that the Afghans and the people in northern Pakistan also have a conscience and believe in God? If all what yoy fan out here on nuclear missiles were a state-religion, I'd sugest changing it! As it is, many people do believe in God!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 October 2010
19:2374118alex
just to point out that iran has made it clear that they would readily wipe out israel.
if that should happen all hell would break loose all around the world.
america is the greatest ally of israel and forgives their many sins, should anything happen to the zionists then the might of the american military would be brought into action, knowing their love of wars the victims would be endless.
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7 October 2010
19:3374122Well Howard, the Iranian president has made some remarks in the past, but these do not reflect the views of all Iranins and of all the Iranian Mullahs, who also have a lot to say in Iranian policies.
I do not believe that the words of an Iranian president alone can decide what course Iran should follow, but that there are institutional offices in Iran that also make decisions, or contest, when need be, decisions made by the president. In Iran, there is a whole set-up of offices and miliotary officers who would also have to have a say in any decision to go to war.
Hence, I do not believe that the idea of threatening to blow up whole districts with nuclear missiles serves any country. In the case of Iran, though, the Iranian government does not sem to have ever stated that it would even produce nuclear missiles, let alone use them!
So something not quite right there, Howard, in your statement!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 October 2010
19:3774126you may well be right alex, but i have to say that the iranian government is hardly likely to confess they are planning to manufacture nuclear weapons.
the considered view amongst most nations around the world is that they are telling fibs.
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7 October 2010
19:4174129Howard, although what you state is totally legitimate, and I agree with you that there is concern, but, the point I sometimes try to make out to Barry when he fans the nuclear deterrant strategies (at present many people in Britain would like to scrap the trident project) is that if a neclear missile were used, it would blow up a whole area, such as a city. If many were used, it could destroy the world.
By building more and more nuclear missiles, we cannot be doing the right thing!
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7 October 2010
20:1074133howard/alex,if iran keeps its promise and sends a few nuclear missiles at isreal would it be a bad thing,look on the bright side it would solve the plastine/israel conflict in one go.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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7 October 2010
20:5174138Alex, in the 30's people like you were saying Hitler was no threat to peace and we should not re-arm.
Then, of course, there was the Cold War. There were plenty of foolish people who said something similar then. We had the good sense to ignore them. As a result we had peace in Europe.
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7 October 2010
20:5674140Brian, your last post is disgraceful!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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7 October 2010
21:0474141Barry, in the 30's Hitler wanted some lands from Czecoslovacchia and Poland which he felt ought belong to Germany. At the time, people in Britain like me, as you say, probably didn't want another world war, and so didn't declare it. But in September 1939 Hitler took a bit more than just Danzig and the coridoor, and later sent German divisions marching out in all directions.
But, what in the name of flaming Bagpipes has that got to do with nuclear missiles being aimed as a deterrent agains who kinows where?
We've got the Light-tower Church, overlooking the Sea!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 October 2010
21:1974142alex
brian was just being witty.
