It is partly the fact that it is badly thought through that irks. What measures are in place to reduce the inevitable fly-tipping? What measures are in place to make sure that some are not disadvantaged (eg because they do not drive/cannot lift/are on low wages but have a garden and try to be "green")?
Philip - when we have saved the planet (you will have noticed it is the only one we have) I assume you will be asking to stay here?
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Bern you say .....""we have saved the planet".
Exactly what have you done to save the planet. Just a short list of things would be good. While you're there could you tell us some things that you do which damage the planet. For example driving a car, using more than one gas ring for cooking instead of steaming all your vegetables.
It would be very instructive to all I'm sure. People tell me I should be concerned about saving the planet but in reality do more damage than I could ever do.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Bern, if I read council corporate speak correctly, it seems there WAS going to be an exemption for households that can't afford it (and an option to opt in for the second 6 months of the year at reduced rate) but it was overridden -
http://www.doverdc.co.uk/councillors/council_meetings/update/docs/minutescabinet060212.pdf
The minutes of the meeting where the original decision was taken aren't available yet.
In one bound we are free??? No, it is more about making an attempt to reduce the damage, not a caped crusader leaping to the rescue. And trying is better than sneering any day.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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It doesn't have to be a long list. Just a few things which show how you are doing something constructive so that we may all learn.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Recycling must be near the top of any list of worthwhile things that should be done to lessen the impact that we humans have which are detrimental to the sustainability of life on this, our finite, home planet.
We tend to throw stuff away, and have done for too long. [even in the good old days of deposits on bottles]
It is true that all that is done and is encouraged by Governments to be done is absolutely ineffective when viewed in the round. The problem is not that what we do, on our personal small scale, is in the least counter-productive to the common good, but that the over-riding aim of Governments is to make us feel as if we are doing the right thing while they carry on as normal; appeasing and sacrificing to the god of Mammon.
To combine doing on the small scale with effect on the large scale is to sustain an entirely circular argument.
What MUST change is that instead of being content to 'feel' good about what we do we should insist that real good be done.
While the sole thrust of human development is reduced to bean-counting rather than human-beings counting much progress can be alluded to while much harm is done.
KISS!
Keep It Simple, Stupid!
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Philip, my family and I have been attempting greenery since the 70s, against all kinds of prejudiced opposition and mockery similar to yours even then - even a short list would be too long for here. We also drive, as we have to work and work is often not local, we use gas, we heat the house, we do all kinds of things that people do. That doesn't mean we are not doing our best to keep the planet as clean and habitable as possible. What is it that you do?
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Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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In terms of keeping the planet cool and ensuring that I lower my carbon footprint? Erm, absolutely nothing. In fact I find myself smiling to myself every time I hear or read that carbon dioxide levels are increasing. This means more food for plants and therefore better crop yields which is good for everyone.
I also have to suppress a smile when I read of yet another climate change scare being debunked.
I don't fly abroad, unlike most eco-warriors who still insist on taking their traditional trips to other continents whilst lecturing the rest of us to cut down our carbon emissions to save the planet.
I drive as little as possible. This saves buying petrol unlike many I've met who warn of impeding peril but are happy to drive willy nilly instead of taking public transport.
I'm still waiting for an answer to the question as to how you do your bit to save the planet but I'm getting nothing this end.
It doesn't need to be a long list.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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well done philip you may just have saved this little chap.
Wait on Philip. I will save the wasted carbon emissions it would take to pi$$ into the wind farms.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 33......needs to be answered.............perhaps PW could provide one ?
DDC offer the public a service to recycle......the public respond in big measure............then DDC put a
charge on it................
DDC are in a parlous situation...........they will continue to increase charges and reducing services to
residents who will continue to pay.........over and above their Council Tax.
Alec Sheldon
- Location: Dover
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My neighbour and I were thinking of sharing, £20 each. How would that fit in.?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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simple alec - one of you sends the cheque and the garden waste is left outside that persons house.
even cheaper is to sneak it into your general waste bins/bags.
Alec Sheldon- Location: Dover
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That's cheating Howard.
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