Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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All things being equal, do you mean Howard?
In a land, far far away, a hand reaches out and grabs person (please remember 'person') A, tortures her/him and gets the name of your next door neighbour and some-time baby-sitter...
Discuss/disgust?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The is a due process Tom. Extradition arrangements are down to the bi-lateral agreements made and the decision of the courts (not the human rights courts..). there is also a matter how how serious the alleged crime is.
Keith Sansum1
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think by sounds of thingsd a few thing need irononing out before we take some posters routes
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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An establised and proved terrorist should not be living here. He has said more than once he is against us. Send him back, out of our country.
Why all the mambypamby talk in support of this particular man ?
Roger
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# 21.agree..........any form of torture is unacceptable.
Would those who condone torture.............carry out the task?............or have others do it in their name?
#24........mambypamby................??????...............torture!!!!
Not political or about Dover.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i still don't see what business of ours another countries judicial system is.
we don't have an empire anymore and i don't see jordan telling us how to run our country.
It isn't the judicial system, it's the potential torture. Absolutely, if he is accused of crimes there he should be tried there, but we have to deal with the possibility that he would be tortured. I am fairly certain it would not bother him if the situation was reversed, but then he is apparently a terrorist and hates us and we can expect a lack of empathy from him - we are not.
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Normally ignore wind-up`s..............but...if we know other countries judical system....do we turn a blinds eye?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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The issue here Reg is not that abu Qatada might be tortured should he be returned to Jordan- the Jordanians have confirmed that. It's that evidence against him might have been obtained by torture, thus making a fair trial doubtful.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
That's a part of it Peter - but it was clearly said in this guys "defence against extradition" that he was fearful that he would be tortured and that was raised as one of the factors.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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How many people has this man torured, whether personallty or ordered it ?
Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.
Roger
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And we have received assurances from the Jordanians that he won't be tortured. His defence against extradition was written by his lawyers who of course have never been known to bend the truth. The court accepted the Jordanian commitment that he would not himself be tortured but accepted the argument that some evidence might be tainted by having been obtained partly by torture.
Why do we keep in our jails and in our society these poisonous foreigners whose sworn ambition is to undermine our way of life. There are 59 million other people in our society whose human rights outweigh those of this insect and the spurious legal arguments of his lawyers.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 31........you therefore condone torture?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I'm saying Reg. that this man has (probably) tortured, or ordered the torturing of many people and he would/should expect that his day will come.
I don't agree with torture at all, but I'm sure this guy does.
Roger
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Absolutely Roger - we have this monster in our midst who wants to tear down our whole system, introduce an extremist Islamist system such as they have in Iran or Saudi Arabia and yet this creature uses the very system he hates so much to hide from facing the justice he deserves in a Islamic country. How many people, I wonder, has he conspired to murder or maime and how many live daily tortured by the consequences of what this man did? For us to be protecting and sheltering him is an abomination.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Thank you Bern, I spent a few minutes 'admiring your laughter lines'.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Thanks Barry - ypur latest post raises good points.
Peter, I don't remember reading your second paragraph last time I was on here, presumably it was added later - totally agree with it.
Roger
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Top post Barry, but his day will come he can not hide behind the system he hates for ever.
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