Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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...Idiot European Human Rights Court judges have said a terrorist, once described as Bid Laden's right hand man in Europe, cannot be deported to Jordan because he may be tortured.
So what...
Whether they torture him is up to the Jordanians and their standards of behaviour. We really should not be bothered what happens to this monster we should just send him back and ignore these judges, withdrawing from the European Convention. We owe this man nothing, he hates our ways and actively supports those who will kill us.
We also need to get rid of our own 'criminal rights act' - the worse ever piece of UK legislation. It is only the wet LibDems blocking that.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/17/abu-qatada-deportation-blocked-european?newsfeed=truehoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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we have stacks of people here that cannot be sent back because of that, the sole reason they come here.
i think every country uses torture in some way with people like that, the americans have their ways, i am sure that our country has its own methods.
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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Withdraw from the EU, not just a single convention. The whole nonsense annoys the hell out of me.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the european court of human rights has no connection with the european union
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 1.............``so what``..........do we condone torture to any human being?
Brian Dixon
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barry,nothing wrong with human rights.torture was eradicated about 300 years ago.
i would presume you want all terrorists hung,drawn and qourterd then scaterd all over the country of origin.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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So much for 'our' proud boast of combating the slave trade. [although I hear it was not illegal to own another human being here until the seventies, 1970s that is]
Your whole argument falls flat on the phrase, "once described as".
They came for my neighbour, I did nothing...
...then they came for me.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Tom I am sure Pastor Niemoller would stand by and cheer if they came for abu Qatada.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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difficult to see qatada as a victim here.
Keith Sansum1
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its a dilema is it not
fairness
but some still want an eye for an eye
making them no better than the terrorist
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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in see the isssue as europeans interfering with judicial system of other countries.
it is not that different to the days when we lorded it over the poorer countries.
should people break the law in a country they should face the consequences of their actions in that country.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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have to agree to a point howard
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Britain is not even in control of our own judicial system.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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o yes it is.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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It is correct that this is not about the EU, though withdrawal from the European Court of Human Rights would also mean withdrawal from the EU under terms of membership but that is just another good reason to get shot of the ECHR.
Well said Howard - yes we should not interfere in Jordan's system. send this terrorist b*****d there and let the Jordanians deal with him their way.
We had rights well before anyone dreamed up this appalling law, both the European and UK versions - getting away from these nutter judges does not damage our real rights, such as being free to send terrorists back to where they will get the justice they deserve.
There are a great deal of anomalies in this extradition business. Sarah Ferguson will not be extradited yet Gary McKinnon has faced the possibility every day for over twelve years. Totally unfair and unacceptable.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I am sure that there were and are many South Africans grateful that they had a haven here during the apartheid era.[ Even though the snow queen was no fan of Nelson Mandela.]
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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quite a few problems here then
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i don't see any great problem if terrorist suspects are sent back to stand trial in the country that the atrocity was committed in.
There can't be many arguments with that!