howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Howard, pushing at an open door!!!! As you know!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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i had a feeling that you would be the first to post on it bern.
rather ironic that the reds are using this as a political battleground after 13 years of letting t*sco do exactly as they wanted.
No argument from me Howard..........
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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Perhaps the politicians are feeling brave now they have had a go at Murdoch. I expect they will have forgotten about this after their long summer hols though!
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
HOWARD;
We should move away from this, the reds said it so it must be wrong, lets get it right, all govts have failed on this, and ok labour could have done more, but lets get behind them if we believe they are correct
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that was my point keith, all colours grovel at the feet of t*sco and sign death warrants for town centres an individual small businesses that operate from them.
an example of their cycnicism is to run free buses from rural areas to their superstores then when the village shops have closed then stop the free buses.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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howard i dont disagree with you
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Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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I may be naive but perhaps Ed Miliband has tore up the past and is looking at things through the eyes of decency ? perhaps he may offer something different to what we have come to expect from our Political leaders.
Audere est facere.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Being a supporter of the Town Centre and Town Centre shops, I support this move.
I must admit though that even the Tesco at Whitfield was allowed to expand to increase its range of non-food items by the last Government's "Office of the Deputy Prime Minister", as it was then known as. The rules have now changed, but not sure exactly how much and how much the philosophy has changed.
I objected at the time as I said it would not help the Town Centre.
Tesco "gave" some money to help the Town Centre and some of that was given to TCM, but because of what happened to TCM after Mike Webb left the funding stopped; the last £10,000 was given to Dover Chamber of Commerce for the Dover Business Support Manager's salary - after I was dismissed, so it was never used to help make Dover a "vibrant Town Centre", which was the criteria of the Tesco money, so once again, Dover Chamber of Commerce acted wrongly - sorry Barry.
Roger
Whoever you vote for the Government gets in - an irritating platitude but nevertheless true. As Clegg found out, being not in Government is significantly different to being in it up to your neck, and priorities shift. Which is why we, us little people, need to be ready to make ourselves heard if required.
DT1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 15 Apr 2008
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Tesco have ruined many high streets. The Labour party are right to raise this although it does show their shallowness, as they facilitated it's growth in recent years.
In terms of a of a business we can all agree it is a 'success' but at what price? From a Capitalist viewpoint it 'works', employs people and puts money back into the economy...well except for the vast quantities it filters off to the Channel Islands and other offshore tax havens. But any success like Tesco can only be measured by another Capitalist obsession, 'Growth'. A variable that can only seem to be calculated in isolation. Unfortunately the 'success', is not weighed up against the effects and anyone that can not see the end result of growth either has no imagination or just no brain (the giveaway being that Britain is of a finite size). Supposedly this obsession with big business supermarkets is providing us with 'choice', but actually where we can buy certain items is fast reducing. Tesco, if they continue will destroy all other competition and ultimately leave us with NO choice.
Where once we saw towns being made around rivers, mines, mills and churches, we now see them being designed around a Tesco, how soulless is this?! Money spent in the store by the people around it. Some earning money from it, using their 'discount' (taking products to a reasonable price) and putting their money back in. And then after all this, the money disappears to some holding company based in Switzerland. Before anyone mentions, I know this 'Tax Avoidance' is legal...but then so is 'Work avoidance' and some reason the same people who think it 'wrong' not to pay into the system think that it's 'right' to not pay in if you are rich.
And people still say ridiculous comments like "I use it for convenience, being able to do all my shopping in one place". If they managed to actually open their eyes they would see that most Tescos are now the size of a town centre. They may as well say "I like to do all my shopping in one place...Kent". It's a joke and you can even get them to deliver...oh joy, reducing human interaction even more, the same mentality as those that say "why go to a pub when I can drink cans at home" another anti-social joy facilitated by Tesco?
Terry Leary (Ex CEO) even has a platform from which to pontificate about education, thanks to New Labour. Now although this man is the sort we like to hold up as a wonderful posterboy of social mobility, we must remember that 99.99999% of Tesco shelf stackers do not land up as the CEO. On top of this, where once the the wage of a shelf stacker could subsidise a business degree course (Which Mr Learly has) you would now need a wage closer to store manager to enjoy such a privilege. Perhaps this is something else Tesco could provide? Anyway Mr Leahy managed to slate the education in this country (of which he is the product) saying that young people do not have the skills required to work in their stores. From someone that is happy to replace till operators with automated self service tills, I find this quite a statement.
Well said!! Totally support everything inn your post - success depends on how you define it. And Tesco does not define success for me or for my environment!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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BERN/DT1
Wow what great statements and how great to see the the articles
I don't recall this opposition by roger but fair enough wont get heavily into that.
Quite honestly i don't give a fig who raises it, who was the baddie before
many posters are supporting such statements as DT1 and the town centre will always be the loser.
As for barryw's chamber of commerce they must have had reason for dismissal or wouldnt be able to do so, but that to is probably for another thread
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DT1- Location: Dover
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I've just also thought about something else: The very skills that lack in the tertiary sector, the ones that we all value when shopping are the very same skills that supermarkets and online shopping are eroding. When I think back to my time in retail and customer services, it seemed the skills I needed and were most valued by customers most were: Personal presentation, communication, politeness, basic numeracy and use of money and sincere customer care.
It's funny as I wasn't directly taught any of these at school. I did however acquire them through shopping in town with my mum. They are also the very same skills that Mr Leahy is talking about as well as being the ones made obsolete by automated tills and online shopping. Ironic really.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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DT1
Not far wrong there either
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
Tesco is Britain's biggest embarrassment to those of us who support free enterprise.
We only shop there in extremis.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Ditto - I can't tell you how much I loathe the place. But maybe you have guessed....?
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
Ditto again. I have not been there for at least two years, I hate Tesco with a passion.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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at least 7 years for me, darren made the point about it not being the time saver that people think.
i can do my shopping in about 6 small shops in about the same time as a trip to a massive supermerket.
incidentally i refuse point blank to buy a local paper, get my shoes soled or prescription supplied at such a place.
they seem to want to destroy small business for the sake of it, how much money can they make out of selling the express and mercury?