Keith Sansum1
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Been there many times myself peter so fully aware and no some don't have this clause
but it is a way out for roger not to reply
i do understand
thanks peter
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Actually Roger is bound by such a clause.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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peter
i'm pleased that you know so much and thankyou for your prompt reply
whether or not this is the case in does allow roger not to respond
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Actually Keith I asked Roger at the time in person and he told me that whatever the outcome was, it was covered by a non-disclosure clause. I accepted that and we have not spoken of it since.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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peter
you will also note i only the chamber issue in reply to roger
never start the topic
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Yeah, right.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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There is nothing further to say as to what happened between me and the Dover Chamber - Peter is right and has said sufficient to cover it.
Why is it that everytime I mention the CoC, Keith accuses me of having sour grapes and a downer on them, instead of taking the comment as it was written - no hidden meaning, no hidden agenda, just as it is.
It's all old news anyway and old news is no news.
Roger
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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roger dont worry kieth will get over it.eventuly.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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roger;
im pleased you have kisse and made up with the chamber
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Dover District Council wants,needs to divest services to Town,Parish Councils.
The arguement being District Councils are capped and Town,Parish Councils are not.
DDC will when divesting services will be ultra minimal with the funding (if any is offered ) of services passed to Town and Parishes.
Town,Parish Councils provide services but have to increase their precept to do so and their residents will pay more Town and Parish Council tax to `local government.
Much better way is an East Kent Council.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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whoever operates the services is irrelevant to council tax payers.
district councils are capped.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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think you miseed reg's point howard
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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don't think so keith, residents only pay one bill.
doubt if any read where the breakdown is of who got what.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 51........what is relevant is Town and Parish Councils increase precept....residents pay more......they are also paying DDC tax which is capped.
Without Town and Parish Councils DDC would have to go above their capped limit.
ie............Council tax has not been frozen...........yet another stealth tax.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Pity the debate here is so ill informed by those who were former councillors.
Reg.
Districts can't go above their capped levels otherwise central gov. will require them to rebill public or apply administrators [finance officers etc.]to take charge & get them to apply cuts e.g. Hackney & Hammersmith & Fulham under previous regimes.
So lets get real.
To keep services that are optional means others take them over or charging levels are increased.
The next financial year will see a further £800k+ reduction in gov. grant on top of the £2.4m reduction last year. Year 13/14 sees another £1m removed and as much the year after.
The Council Tax cap level for next year is 3.5% if applied. That brings around £200k extra to DDC. As you will workout that leaves £600k to find either in savings or increased fees.
So expect a mix of all three to balance the books.
To go above capping levels in future will require a local referendum to be applied. A costly affair that further drains limited finances.
Watty
Reg, all respect to your views, but do me a favour and please make your posts easier to read........! They are doing my head in, mate.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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to sum up in plain english the bill that hits the door mat will be within the capping levels set by national government.
Jan Higgins
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Bern, I can only agree, half the time I skip them as I cant be bothered to work them out, all I can be certain of is that they will disagree with anything remotely Tory.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#56.57 and 58.
Everyone knows DDC cannot go above their cap........so they off load the services they cannot afford to provide to
run to..................Town and Parish Councils who are not capped.............Town and Parish Councils have to raise their
precept to provide these services.....which highers the tax their residents have to pay......therefore residents have to
pay more.
District Councils year on year will run out of the folding stuff to provide necessary services therefore have to offload
more services toTown and Parish Councils who will have raise residents taxes again.
Hope thats clear and no more headaches
Jan it is non political....every party would have to do it .....its purely economics.
The untimate answer is an East Kent Council....which again is non political.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Still doesn't flow easy does it ? I must agree with Bern and Jan.
It's not prose, but stunted statements.
Roger