howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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so if they decided to take over some services from the district council they could claim extra money to cover costs.
yet there still seems confusion over who should be doing what.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Yes that is right, the parishes can 'easy' add £10 to their precept to run the loos without being capped whereas the districts can't
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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so all this palaver that has been going for about a year now regarding the toilets has been a bit pointless.
Guest 663- Registered: 20 Mar 2008
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Howard some things are statuary to DDC but should DTC even be thinking about taking on anything from District there will hopefully full consolation with all of the town council, there has been a lot of talk but it is something that needs a lot of consideration as well as the financial implication.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Not sure if you meant consultation Jan or consolation (which you wrote of course).
I'm sure that if anything was to be taken over by the Town Council, from the District Council, that proper consultation would be had and discussions would take place with all the Town Councillors.
I have no idea what the Town Council's precept will be, but if they were to be in discussions with DDC on taking anything new on, the cost of takling it over could be added to their precept, so it comes out of DDC budget and the public still continue to benefit from the service (and yes we all pay for it - as we did before).
Roger
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Quite surprised to see the side of the Town Council precept actually as is nearly 1/2 of what DDC gets, and compared with what services are offered it does make you wonder.....
Band E
KCC £1047
DDC £159
Police £139
Fire £68
DTC £67
Total £1480
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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consultation is one thing but just dragging things out for no apparent purpose is another.
it was said that money would be paid to businesses to allow the public to use their facilities.
mcdonalds had a small sign up some time back, i don't know if it is still there, no other business seems to have done so.
no member of the public that i have spoken to knows of the scheme so they wouldn't use the facilities.
the situation a year on is farcical.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Perhaps people have just got used to not having the facilities - i rarely use the 'public' toilets when the ones in De Bradlei, library, museum, etc are so much better
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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museum paul?
that roman vase is purely an exhibit.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That was quick Howard - funny too.
If there's no heart or acceptance of moving anything forward, it won't be; there has to be a will on both sides.
Roger
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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This is DTC's corporate plan for 2008-2011, as amended in 2009.
http://www.dovertown.co.uk/UploadedDocuments/Dover%20Town%20Council%20Corporate%20Plan%20&%20Committee%20Business%20Plans%20combined%20-%20Jul%2009.pdf
Note the bits where it says "By the end of 2011 we will have.....". I would like to ask the council which of those objectives have been achieved.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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just 8 months now until the olympic flame arrives to be met by the television and the milling throngs.
forget consultations, we need things done very shortly.
Keith Sansum1
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one of the problems even if the town council did take services on is that i would expect my ddc part of the council tax to reduce by the same amount
this never happens
thus we pay twice
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You don't pay twice for the same thing Keith, what that means is that other services at the same level they currently are, can be offered. There may not be a reduction in the total cost of Council Tax, but services are being maintained, so you are not being double-rated for the same service.
There are incredible short-falls on monies received by local authorities all over the country, we are no different - maybe Northern Local Authorities are receiving less of a short-fall, but the tradition of funding Northern Local Autrhiotities over Southern ones, hasn't changed with a change of Government.
Howard, I agree that there isn't long to get things changed in the Town Centre, especially as regards the buildings that are in need of refurbishment.
I know I've said this before, but I had started this process when at Dover Chamber of Commerce - buildings requiring work, whether redecorating, new windows or complete refurbishment, were listed and photographed and ready to be written to - I had actually written to the owners of the Best Kebab building, but was dismissed before I got a reply and as an individual, couldn't follow it up.
If fingers aren't pulled out very soon, the Town's buildings will be the same as they are now.
It seems the Chambers of Commerce (Dover and Channel) have now no interest in Dover Town's welfare - they are in member's subscriptions, but not in the welfare of the Town itself.
The salary of the Business Support Manager should be funded by the 3 main stake-holders and the membership fees put towards further improvements.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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roger
i admire your continued dig at the chamber but you do have an axe to grind there when they sacked you with no come back.
it sometimes clouds the issue,
with regard to council tax so
at present we pay the district council for service A
they pass the service onto the town council, thus no exspense to the district
yet we continue to pay the same council tax to the district.
then the town council will put the council tax up
thus paying twice !!!!
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I'm sorry, you are missing the point Keith - read my post again.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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roger;
i think you have fully explained your view at every opportunty on the chamber
as have the chamber in reasons for no longer requiring your services
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I wasn't having a dig at either Chamber Keith, just saying that they now have no interest or support for the Town and its retail sector.
You have greater insight or knowledge than I do Keith, as to why those two people (not the Chamber Board itself) dismissed me, I have no real idea - spill the beans please. You must be on pretty close terms with both of them, which must make you slightly suspicious.
I have the greatest respect for many of the members of the Board of Dover Chamber of Commerce and the Chief Exec. at Channel Chamber.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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roger
don't wish to get heavily involved in what is your issue with the chamber.
all i can do is go by your postings on this very forum'
you were stating on here how badly the board had treated you
and you were taking them to an employment tribe.
presumably then they found in the chambers favour as we heard no more
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Keith you are going over old ground and this very point was debated on the forum at the time. Most employment disputes are settled out of court by arbitration under confidentiality agreements. Confidentiality means neither side can talk about it.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson