Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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10 January 2011
22:0588529Jan, they might get more than you think.
Some of you might remember Jez (there's a memorial to him in the Louis Armstrong, he was lead singer in Harry Helmet and the Small Portions) who stood for the Silly Party at a general election in the 70s. His one manifesto point was to get more votes than the NF candidate and he did
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 January 2011
22:0888530harry helmet and the small portions??
someone cruder than me might consider that a bit risque.
Jan Higgins
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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13 January 2011
09:0988749Well the day of judgement is here. The polls are open and the masses are thronging to vote. Powering their way through the heavy rain to do so.
Labour started out as quite a clear favourite to win this, but to everyones recent shock horror, the latest info is that the Libdems are closing in on them. I myself cant comprehend why that would be, but then I guess it was always a Libdems stronghold...losing the void election by just 103 votes.
So initially it looked like a Labour cakewalk but it now appears closer than anticipated.
The Conservatives are doing just a modest campaign. As mentioned on Newsnight last night their leaflets have been cheaply produced and so forth, so although they deny it, they really are not putting in much of a real effort on this one.
UKIP on the other hand are spending big bucks. They seem to have loads of money, with ads on massive billboards and whathaveyou.. It was revealed last night on Newsnight where the money is coming from.
Its coming from their new benefactor Stuart Wheeler, a millionaire extraordinaire with very deep pockets, who jumped from the Tory ship at the last election...you might remember the headlines. Yes he funded the Tories for years with cash aplenty...but now that money supports UKIP. Fascinating. Currently our Forumite Nigel Farage is up there campaigning...he was briefly on Newsnight last night.
Keith Sansum1
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13 January 2011
09:1588750paulb
of course the tories wil want a lib dem win as they cant get close themselves
much as they wouldnt admit it.
labour will fight a labour olone party not needing the secret help of other parties
it is a marginal seat must stay up to watch result
come on you reds
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 January 2011
11:1288766i remember reading about stuart wheeler, made his fortune from spread betting, i thought that another chap called sykes was also a big financier too.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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13 January 2011
11:1988768Yes at last UKIP have money behind it,and I just hope we see some of it coming to Dover before May.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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13 January 2011
16:1588787I suspect Labour will suffer from the two guilty politicians and their greed.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 January 2011
17:0888792the yellows have been hit by a scandal too this week with one of their honourable members suspended.
no doubt their will be more scandals to come, hardly encourages a high turnout.
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13 January 2011
19:0388801Have you all noticed how quiet BarryW is today...I can guess...our staunch blue member is oooop in Oldham campaigning for the Libdems!!
Well I suspect our Barry is a secret convert to the magnificent impact the Libdems are making, and he has had a political transformation of gigantic dimension. What I want is a picture of him shaking hands with Vince Cable!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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13 January 2011
20:0588819paulb
to be fair to barryw, he has made it clear hes no fan of the lib dems, even less so vince cable.
where our barry gets it wrong is his view the tories will win outright at a general election it just wont happen.
anyway back to the thread
is it on nwwsnight?
COME ON YOU REDS
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 January 2011
20:1888821i think paul b is nearly right, barry and vince will shake each other warmly by the throat when they meet.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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13 January 2011
20:2088823he had better hurry up howard
times running out before the co olition falls apart
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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14 January 2011
03:0388868labour wins bye election by 3,500
predicted to be close but ended up a big majority for labour
turnout 48.1%
clear that the tory vote collapsed and tories voted to keep labour out
also mr cameron wishing the lib dem candidate success couldnt have done much for the morale of his tory troops in this election.
tories clearly didnt run a very effective campaign cheap leaflets low key in the hope that the lib dems could win.
it didnt work even in the heavy rain a larger turnout than expeted
well done you reds
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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14 January 2011
03:4988869Indeed Labour won by a fairly large number of votes over the LibDems, whereas the Tories really got a thrashing!
As we can see from the media, those who are not among the top three get little or no coverage, but after plenty of research (4 minutes) I managed to find out that UKIP came fourth and BNP fifth.
So in Dover, the coverage for UKIP in the December 2010 local by-elections, as third party, was fair! Ahem!
Anyway, it seems the Conservatives would be on their way out, and that Labour is becoming number 1 party, in Britain. Still, with a 48% turnout at Oldham East/Saddleworth (May 2010 62%), apathy has prevailed!
(Not quite as much as in Dover December 2010 with 16%.)
Keith, I read that there was plenty of mist but no rain today in Oldham, so I'm not sure if the weather can account for the reduced turnout.
One note of difference is that whereas in Dover we had local Council elections in December, in Oldham East/Saddleworth it was for the Parliament, so the issues at stake were also different.
It seems a thumbs down for the Government.
The question is now, how to get the support of the masses turning away from voting at all, which account for over half of the electorate.
I received an email from Nigel Farage this morning, UKIP must stand and fight!
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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14 January 2011
10:5788885As I understand it the LibDem vote was more or less the same.
Tories did not really bother knowing they would be wasting their time.
Labour vote up and getting in was a foregone conclusion, hardly a conclusive pointer to what would happen if there was a General Election in the near future.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 January 2011
11:0188886couple of points here.
a) if the coalition had fielded one candidate and got the same number of votes as the combined blue and yellow total, they would have won.
b) ukip got nearly half as many as the blues, quite an achievement.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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14 January 2011
11:1688890Howard, re b), I suspect that was a protest vote.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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14 January 2011
12:5888900jan h
very interesting viewpoint.
the seat has swung from labour to lib dem over the years, so no wasn't a clear cut as you say, number of reasons why i disagree
1; the outgoing labour member didn't do much for labours cause
2; labour only won last time by 183 votes
3; lib dems mounting big campaign
4; cameron organised luke warm tory campaign in the hope of the lib dems winning
5; cameron wished lib dem candidate well(as tories standng as a seperate party
thats was a strange thing to do
6; people turned ioff politics
so it was a good result for labour
lib dems vote only held up because tories voted liberal knowing tories couldn't
win that won't happen in other seats.
tories humiliated.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 January 2011
14:1288917keith
re; points 4 & 5 it is thought by many that dave sees the coalition as long term, someting that unnerves many traditional blues.
apparently the blue candidate was very popular locally but the lack of support he got from the top left him trailing in a very bad third place.
