Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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#1
there is an interesting post from bob whysman on the young VIEW
I think hes right
all to often they are all classed as trouble, when in reality most of the young have a contribution to make, and surprisingly enough have strong views on the political arena.
I welcome Bob and look forward to his contributions
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#2
i don't think he actually said that keith.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#3
bob made a good point on how its all old people photos and contributions from the older element
I look forward to bobs contributions from the younger generation
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#4
Keith s
When will you start trying to correct the wrongs in your labour party?
What policy do you think need to change for labour to become reprehensive of the voters they abandoned?
You eye is very much of the ball. Regarding you party's problems
The young are very important to this country glad to see you're starting to focusing on this
As are ukip
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#5
Thank you Keith, it is certainly better to respond to that post here.
Yes Bob, you are missing something (and welcome, by the way). How best to express what that might be though?
Ah yes,
You misfoot yourself, as many have before you, in that you speak in terms of 'older' and 'younger'; as if you are destined only to become as 'they' are - in time, also when you ask why 'they' fail to include you and those like you.
For a start, 'older' does not mean wiser;many grow older without growing up. You, being 'younger' have much potential to become much more than 'they', don't begin by selling yourself short.
And as far as being included in their deliberations is concerned. In my opinion, it is not for the likes of 'them' to choose whether on not to include you, it is for you to demand inclusion. I am glad to see that you have taken the first step in setting that demand out.
To keep on with the UKIP side of things for the moment. Their contact address was given on here somewhere today, perhaps someone will repeat it here, fire off an email and (perhaps) demand of them what they have to offer the young of today.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#6
Ukip Jobs for British young people first
Unlike toms party's promise of jobs for every body else first
He will come up with some old bull, but that's exactly what they have given you
Mass uk youth unemployment
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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#7
I think the young have a lot they could contribute especially on a forum like this, the trouble is the majority seem to prefer Twitter and similar sites.
Maybe we oldies put them off, by oldies I don't just mean those of us who are retired I mean anyone over thirty something.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#8
keith b
I have nothing to do with the labour party
now, back to the thread
When on the council I had monthly meetings with the school children and once engaged all were very much in the know
and strong opinions
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#9
One would have to explain to the young that the public debt was at £750 billion in May 2010, and currently is at around £1.2 trillion, and that the annual interest on the public debt is currently at around £50 billion.
That despite all false promises from the Chancellor, public borrowing has risen and not decreased.
That the public debt is set - by default of the debt-based financial system we have - to rise exponentially year after year.
That for the Government to choose austerity in place of Prosperity is Treason.
That the young are inheriting the public debt, but will be unable to repay even the interest on it, which, however, must be included in the annual budget. That Greece went bankrupt because of their inability to keep up with the interest on their public debt and now has 65% youth unemployment.
Some people will laugh this off, but my advice to the young: please believe me, it's true!
You will be asked to repay a public debt which others passed down to you, but which will cripple you!
Or you choose a change in the way the economy is governed.
And if the young are reading this, don't be daunted by anyone laughing this off, because the Government knows it is true.
They know there is no way forward without changing the system.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#10
In fact, the young may even be wiser by knowing that sometimes governments choose distractions to distract the public from the reality.
They will set up an apparatus for you to climb up and jump from, but they won't place a landing carpet underneath.
You will see false promises, but when you come down it will hit you hard.
If what they say is fishy, and stinks, be certain they are leading you astray.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#11
The important thing on this thread is to engage with the young
rather than dis owning them
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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#12
Link to the original post please?
It is absolutely vital that we do not stereotype younger people and recognise them as individuals who have as valid (if not more so) a view on the future of the town/county/country/world. It is our responsibility to find the right way(s) to engage them and capture their views and opinions and include these in our considerations when formulating plans for the future.
It is for this reason that
Dover Big Local have employed a Community Development Worker and are looking to develop events specifically aimed at younger Dover residents etc.
We appreciate everyone's input so look out for our events, join our
facebook page or mail us at
secretary@doverbiglocal.org"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#13
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#14
Look out Pigeons, here comes a cat...
Young people 'should be told to cast vote or pay a fine'
IPPR say compulsory first-time voting necessary to ensure turnout gap between young and old does not get larger
"Voting should be compulsory for young people taking part in a general election for the first time, according to a report published on Monday by the Institute for Public Policy Research.
With Labour committed to lowering the voting age from 18 to 16, the thinktank said compulsory first-time voting was necessary to ensure that the wide gap in turnout between young and old did not get worse. First-time voters would face a small fine if they refused to participate in an election. They would have the option of voting for "none of the above".
Guy Lodge, one of the authors of the report, said: "Unequal turnout matters because it gives older and more affluent voters disproportionate influence at the ballot box. Turnout rates among the young have fallen significantly which means there is less incentive for politicians to pay attention to them."
In 2010, there was a 32-point turnout gap between 18- to 24-year-olds (44% of whom voted) and over-65s (76% of whom voted). In 1970, that turnout gap was just 18 points.
Cutting the voting age to 16 without introducing compulsion could make this worse, the report says.
According to the IPPR, about a quarter of democracies use some form of compulsory voting.
Sarah Birch, a co-author, said: "First-time compulsory voting could well be very effective in engaging young people in politics. There are many other things that young people are required to do, not the least of which is go to school.
"Adding just one more small task to this list would not represent an undue burden, and it could well help to reinvigorate democracy."
Extracts from the report, Divided Democracy: Political Inequality in the UK, were due to be released on Monday, but the full document will not be published until September.
The above is the full text of the article, but there are comments aplenty...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/aug/26/young-people-compulsory-voting-pay-fine-ippr
This Mr. Whysman, is the sort of thinking we are all up against. Perhaps inspiriting voters by giving them something to Vote FOR is just too easy?
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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#15
Or perhaps political parties should become more relevant to young people?
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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#16
that would be a start Ross.
of course there are a number of cllrs that do take up this role
I used to go into schools once a month with a Cllr from the other 2 parties(but it was often difficult to get other cllrs to engage.
of course over the years many of us have engaged with the young with great results
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#17
What might this 'engagement' be? Who is it that comes away from whatever this engagement might be feeling enriched:The well meaning councillor, or the newly politically invigorated youth?
To what degree do caveats enter into the conversations? How often, if at all, is it necessary to mention such things as; 'much is done behind the scenes', 'Party Politics is a dirty game at times', 'all/many/some councillors work hard'.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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#18
I believe politics for far to many (if not the majority) young people is something in which they just have little serious interest, children, relationships, music and shopping are far more important than what is happening in the world around them.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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TOM/JAN
You will be surprized that the young have strong opinions on a great deal of subjects, when asked
its how you then engage that, and make them feel part of any decision making
not just talking for talking sake, but getting them involved in the decisions
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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That the young have strong opinions does not set them apart from the adults 'engaging' with the system already.
The danger for me here is, that I may be about to hear from you, and others, much the same tripe that the BBC puts out there in the vain hope (or otherwise) of attracting Voters to the Polls.
How might the recent toilet/retail outlet debacle be explained to the young? This was surely an issue where the public were very much engaged - and active, as opposed to the toilets which remain 'engaged' -and inactive.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.