Ed Connell is very brilliant regarding Dover.....If any dogs are required for collecting alms for the Hospital....I can arrange this
The Royal Victoria Hospital was a wonderful rehab place for Stroke Patients etc...the patients could look out of the window and see the world go by...disgraceful that it was turned into flats....
However, I have many people who wish to march regarding Buckland Hospital...it should most certainly be part of Dover etc....How about it being positioned within the St.James Development? Ideal spot..........
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
Part of Buckland Mill would also have been a good site.
Howard#35, "the clever way to do this is to run it down over a long period of time(which has happened), then when sevices are at a bare minimum then sell it off."
In big business I think this would count as asset stripping.
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Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,316
I'm still smarting from two years ago when I took Maureen to the K&C for an eye check up. The appointment was for 2.30. She was seen at 6.45. At 6.50 we were on the way home.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
terry,that was a drag,i hope they had a good excuse for keeping you there that long period.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
that is quite common unfortunately, no thought is given to where the patient has to travel from.
our bus driver had to take a day of work to take his elderly mum from ramsgate to a hospital in gillingham, 7 hours inclding waiting time.
time with consultant - 5 minutes.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
The big problem is that if we are National Health patients we have to put up with the sometimes appalling outpatient service we receive. Having said that SOME services can be very good but we always remember the bad.
If it was a private business they would have closed years ago.
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Eds post was great! Summed it up so well. One of the contributing factors to the arrogance of the medical ranks in that they consider only their immediate needs and believe themselves more important than their patients is the culture that was allowed to develop around doctors, the view that they were somehow "special" and "better" than the rest. So not true! But that culture has allowed them to get away with murder (sometimes literally). That also needs to be addressed. And yes, Jan, in private practice they would simply not work.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
REG;
Picking up your positive points, and your organisation of a rally, i hope those in doom and gloom will join the rally and let the trust and govt know exactly wat the people think.
this often has an effect, and i hope to see you all there
no good moaning on here and not joining in what could be a way of both embarrassing the trust/govt, but also one to put pressure on them
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I organized a rally to help protect the Royal Vic in Folkestone some years ago , its now mainly closed and has a walk in centre based in the part that is still open. I am not a defeatest but I do know the history of the local NHS services , the one that mirrors buckland most closley was the Royal Vic in Folkestone and it is my belief this will mirror Bucklands future ,
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
sarah
hear what you say please say hello at reg's rally
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Of couse I will Keith
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
i don't see why consultants can not visit local hospitals even though the procedure may need to be carried out at a bigger hospital.
they can simply wait until they have enough appointments to fill in a morning at the likes of buckland, deal and folkestone.
i saw a dental consultant at buckland back in june, just took 5 minutes for him to decide that a tooth had to come out at the k & c.
the only problem is i have still not got a date for the extraction.
To be honest Howard they can do that at a polyclinic which can also cater for minor surgical prodedures , x rays, physio etc , what it cant do is bedded inpatient stays
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
sarah
with your n.h.s. experience can you say why consultants expect everyone to travel to them?
there must be so many working days lost for the sake of a 5 or 10 minute appointment.
i have just recieved an appointment for st thomas's hospital at 0845 hours, theres is no way i can get there for that time, but they do not do any other times.
was compelled to tell them where to insert their endoscope equipment.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
howard
there is a train at 0524 honestly lol
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Consultants secretaries used to book out patients appointments , so the patient if they had an issue could ring and speak direct to the secretary , now the secretaries are not allowed to book clinics , all apointments are managed through a centreal poutpatient booking service , these are admin staff who work in a call centre environment so the personal touch is lost , no matter how helpful the individual staff are they can only work in a detatched prescribed manner ( sorry for the long winded expalination )
Consultants can only work where they are contracted to work ( I am not defending this ) if a trust or PCT wont fund a service being in a particular area then the Drs cant run a clinic there .
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
sarah
and is it also correct that consultants will only go where the work is and buckland has not been providing enough work for them for some time
so we go round in circles
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Consultants cant go where they are not contracted to go , if the numbers re attendances or effecient use of staff , dont match what is expected then the Trust will close the clinic or centralise services to provide " best value "
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
thanks for that info sarah, the problem seems to be one of bureaucracy and outmoded practices.
a pity as the people at the sharp end usually do a quality job.
I know I ahev said it before but you just cannot underestimate how complicated the layers of interlinked beurocracy that exisits in every layer of the NHS , as Bern will probably confirm
