21 November 2010
23:4281064Well it would appear that our Irish "friends" have at last succumbed to the dictats of Brussels and are being forced to accept a loan,how quaint is that??
At a time the only people who can get loans to plan a wedding (not that they need it) are our beloved "royals" we find ourselves, despite all the dire warnings that we have to pull our belts in, suddenly finding ourselves awash with spare cash (£7 billion) to give to the irish.
There has to be something seriously wrong in the minds of those in power to even contemplate lending such a sum to a country who down through the ages have been hostile to this country.
This is a country which during two wars with Germany has thrown its support behind the german effort.
This is a country which has killed countless british citizens down the years, a country that since its inception in 1921 has portrayed a never ending stream of hostility under the guise of neutrality. They have never lifted a finger to help this country during our difficult times,/+ so why on earth should we suffer the indignity of being over taxed to help them????
22 November 2010
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22 November 2010
02:1181069Jimmy, The Irish used to give free lodging and free education to Anglo-Saxons in the seventh century, to learn about Christianity in Ireland, and Irish monks were so welcome in England. They helped lay the Foundations of the English Church. There is an unbreakable bond between Ireland and England.
In the seventh century, and long before, both the Scots and the Picts inhabited parts of Ireland and of Scotland, so again the relations between the Irish and the Scots go back to common history.
Many people in Australia descend as much from the Irish as from the Scots and the English and the Welsh. We also have the Saint Patrik Cross as part of our Union Flag. Near Aldershot where I lived, we had Irish neighbours, many Irish soldiers in the Army, and we always saw each-other as part of the same people. There is so much positiveness in our history of the British Isles that it cannot stop, even in a recession. It is in times of need is when one knows who friends are!
22 November 2010
07:3881070Well There Is someone Who's living in the Past. As an X Solider I don't believe that Crock, Jimmy Long has hit the nail on the head Thanks Jimmy.
Brian Dixon
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22 November 2010
08:0081071well what can one say.and its down to to those nasty greedy bankers.
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22 November 2010
08:5081080Its all the bankers fault ------ the last refuge of the apologist for high spending and the EU.
Come on Brian, it just dont wash. The banks did make mistakes, certainly, but the politicians are the ones who really should take the blame.
The Euro has been a disaster for Ireland locking it into a currency unable to set its own interest rate/currency policies have made a bad situation worse.
I love Dublin and have had a couple of weekends there, my pic beside this was actually taken in the Old Dubliner. I would love to go back but it is so expensive, £5 for a pint of the black stuff for example. If the Irish had their own currency that would have fallen, the price of a pint would have fallen with it and a weekend away there, overall, would be a lot cheaper - I would pop over the first chance I had. One weekend from me would not be enough to rescue the Irish economy but, a lot of weekends from a lot of people...... Then there would be the impact on their exports, the whskey, black stuff, butter, cheese etc. etc....
Its the way it works, Brian - locked into the Euro they do not have that opportunity and we end up bailing them out......The Euro is a complete disaster.
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22 November 2010
11:0881096barry,we may disagree about the eu/euro but i cant for the life of me see that they caused the irish problem.the same happend here [stirling] and the usa [us doller] which are not conected,the usa having nothing to do with the eu.it in my mind was the banks downfall by there greed in trying to make a quick profit.
22 November 2010
11:1481099Brian, Any chance you can give Kilroy his ferry fare back to Ireland????????
22 November 2010
11:1481100Barry's right.
Ireland was locked into an interest rate that made borrowed money far too cheap and banks were far too willing to lend.
Meanwhile BIFFO the Taoiseach seems a bit of a lad:-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1313358/The-dark-truth-Irish-Prime-Minister-Cowen-s-drinking.htmlBrian Dixon- Location: Dover
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22 November 2010
11:1581101as i said bob greed.
22 November 2010
13:1781122Alexaner D,
We are in time of need and the last thing this country needs or can afford is to bail the Irish out.
Ireland did not consider the feelings of the british when they lowered there corporation tax to 12.5%,
By that piece of irish wizardry they managed to attract dozens of british companies to Ireland consequently lots of british people now find themselves on the dole. Please do not tell us we owe the irish anything we owe them nothing.
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22 November 2010
13:3981125Actually Jimmy we should not critisise Ireland for acting competively in their self-interest. Their Corporation tax move was a good thing for them and it made perfect sense.
We should have done the same and matched their rate or even bring in a 10% CT rate.
The EU may want to stifle tax competition to maintain high taxes and high spending, but far better to emprace it and get ourselves into a healthy low spend, low tax environment
22 November 2010
13:4781126Barry agreed. Encourage enterprise (low CT and income tax) discourage spending (higher VAT).
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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22 November 2010
13:5981128we are not giving money to the irish goverment just to be nice, it is to our benefit.
i am behind dave and george on this one.
22 November 2010
14:0581130Barry,
It would appear once again I am in a minority of three (with my german & french chums),one day I shall be on the winning side!!
22 November 2010
14:1481132I remember posting when we were bailing out the Greeks that the least they could do was sign a piece of paper promising never to mention the Elgin Marbles again.
Perhaps our flame haired cousins could do the same about the Potato Famine, Cromwell, Poor Law, Famine Clearances etc. etc.
Meanwhile I'd love to understand how it is to our benefit to bail them out.
(Perhaps we could take the £7 billion out of our £9.1 billion overseas aid budget which the boy Dave has apparently 'ring fenced'?)
A load of well educated but poverty stricken English speakers on our doorstep could be just the thing to undercut and indeed replace the ubiquitous Easter European plumber.
Personally I'd much prefer to be served my coffee by a Corr like colleen than Ivana from Latvia (especially since the Holy Fathers recent rambling on the prophylactic benefits of condoms).
(I note that Eire also 'benefits' from the highest level of minimum wage in Europe. Cause and effect?????)
22 November 2010
15:2481142Jimmy your wining with me, have never heard such sense spoke about with great Passion Keep it up, if only our local Councilors spoke the truth like this this town would be Great.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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22 November 2010
15:2681143the balance of trade between us and ireland is heavily in our favour, a lot of jobs here rely on exports to ireland.
22 November 2010
15:3281147Howard,
You say we are not giving the irish money to be nice,then if it is not to be nice then what is it for ??
The next time the irish are nice to us as a nation will be the first time.
Bob, I am well aware of our history in Ireland what with Lord Trevelian's policies,stealing the irish corn ,and of cromwells massacres. One must not forget we fought 2 devastating wars against Germany and as far as I am aware we have extended the hand of friendshipto Germany which has been gratefully accepted.
When it comes to Ireland if you can forget that disgusting drink they call stout and all the blarney we hear from them one cannot escape the fact that there is an under lying hostility toward the british.
Ireland owes its security to the sacrifices that the british have made over the years (and lets not start on about the irish at the battle of the |Somme). Ireland was a part of the british isles in 1916.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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22 November 2010
15:3781150jimmy,many good irishmen died that day fighting for the english against the dreeded hun.
