Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
#41
Thank You Neil.
As you know, I have written a paper on how to bring a successful market to Dover, I presented it to a T/T meeting and discussed it and advised who should be given the job of Market Manager (not me !).
I had the most put-down email from David and Simon kept me in the loop for his reply.
David may have worked hard in the beginning, getting up in the morning etc. helping with setting up the stalls, but if you're barking up the wrong tree from the beginning, it is always going to be a failure.
Moving from the Town Team to UKIP candidate will not help his cause, he doesn't have a successful record.
When the Town team realised that the market was not going to be successful, they should have changed course, not stuck rigidly to the wrong one.
Telling me to stay away also didn't help.
Roger
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
- Posts: 759
#42
How about setting up new targets and challenges. Just start a fresh :D and maybe get some ideas of fellow towns who run their markets successfully .. never be ashamed to admit failure. Then without admitting it, it went the wrong way you wont know where you gone wrong in the first place.
I do have lots of ideas lol People will tell you some of them are cccrraaazzzyyy
but (there is always a but) with ideas crazy or not you can start building a good foundation which can be successful for years :)
I know this town is full of wonderful people and many have fabulous ideas. just get them all together and asked for help. I am sure this make a big big difference :)
Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou ☺🌈🌄🌌🌏🌍🌎
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#43
Why don't people just accept that an ordinary market in Dover just does not seem to work.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
#44
It could be an extraordinary market Jan. the problem is the people who ran/run it - they don't really have a clue and won't accept that other people do.
Roger
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
#45
Sorry, double post.
Roger
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
- Posts: 759
#46
oh well nothing will change then ...
Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou ☺🌈🌄🌌🌏🌍🌎
Guest 782- Registered: 4 Oct 2012
- Posts: 357
#47
4th May at the Marina is the next open meeting. If there is viable, costed and affordable change then we will be delighted to hear about it.
Keyboard Warriors and stirrers welcome, so long as you want to DO something
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
#48
I am not a keyboard warrior Simon, maybe you could call me a stirrer though, but that's only because I can see your market going down the drain and it is in great danger of stopping any market being successful.
It's not a case of me doing something, it IS a case of the Town Team being less agressive and more open to ideas.
You know what should be done and who to employ as market manager and as money would only be paid out when stall-holders are here - on a commission basis, from the stall-holders, there is no major cost to the Town team who will only benefit.
There may be a small cost on expenses as the market manager will have to go to other Towns and markets to talk to various people.
When you get to 20 plus stalls on a regular basis and it is going up, you will be able to afford adverts in the KOS papers. A good market that brings in new blood, will also benefit the shops here too.
It's not rocket science.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#49
I get the impression that whatever Roger suggests regarding the town will get rubbished by some.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
#50
I've been told that is the case Howard and I don't see the point in putting myself up, to be knocked down again.
Roger
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#51
I think a farmers market in Pencester Gardens (plenty of footfall) once or twice a month could be a success.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#52
Much as I like the idea of a farmer's market I can't see it happening. There is one in Capel every Tuesday which attracts quite a lot of Dover people. I don't think that losing them from Capel will benefit traders. We have to bear in mind that a bus runs every 15 minutes from Pencester Rd to right outside Farthingloe Farm.
Andy B
- Location: dover
- Registered: 10 Nov 2012
- Posts: 1,829
#53
The only market i can remember which was successful in Dover was the one held back in the early 80s on the site of now Jewsons in Coombe valley road if anyone can remember it.It was run by my old mate Clive Carpenter the wrestler and possibly the biggest man in Dover.He was also a market trader so he knew what people wanted.I can remember it being opened by Barbara Windsor,dont know how he managed that but it was a good busy market that i think stayed there until the land was developed.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#54
I have to correct you on the site Andy, it was actually on the old coke/coal site with access via Bunkers Hill Road. The reason I know is that it was just behind our house, we regularly used the excellent meat trader that was there.
That market did not last that long either, it started off with loads of traders but they gradually stopped coming just like the present market.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Andy B- Location: dover
- Registered: 10 Nov 2012
- Posts: 1,829
#55
There was definatly one on Coombe valley,i dont remember that one.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
#56
Starting up a market is a chicken and egg project. If there's no footfall you get no traders. If there are no traders there's no footfall. You either start small and hope to grow organically (risky, as we have proved in Dover) or you invest huge amounts in TV promotion and free stalls for traders and start with a bang. And Tuesday is by no means the best day for footfall and never will be. Just a thought.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
- Posts: 759
#57
Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou ☺🌈🌄🌌🌏🌍🌎
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#58
Tuesday is a bad trading day that is why Tesco used to give double Green Stamps on a Tuesday to entice customers.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#59
The jewson site market was a decent size and well attended, I think Jan's giving away her age with the coal hole market!
Arte et Marte
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#60
Saturday is out of the question as traders will stick to the ones that are proven successes, Deal for example.
